Abraham was given a sign, that his flesh be marked, thus it was to him and his family a sign of a covenment between Abraham and GOD.. But where I am puzzled, is what, if any, sign do I subscribe too? If I read the NT correctly, circumscion avails nothing.... except that of the Cross, Tree.... and that by Faith I believe that Jesus is indeed the CHRIST... I could be of course, be missing the point of the question.. well cheers for now, gordon the kiwi kid