Q2. God's Anointing

[Platoz]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12)

How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day?

We should honor and respect the ones who are anointed by God to do his work. This doesn't mean that the ones who are anointed should not be accountable but there is where things get mucky. Sometimes it is hard for church leaders to share their plan for the church.

What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account.

19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.

What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?


Punish them. Actually I could go on and on about this subject. I understood what I Timothy said and I have no problem with believing it and respecting and honoring the verse. I believe that when one does have a problem with the character of one of their church leaders, and it cannot be resolved, then that person would do themselves and the church good if they would leave that church and find another.

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[PATCH]

How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord’s anointed in our day? What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account. What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?

We are not to speak ill, slander, gossip or in any way harm those whom God had appointed leaders. We must be mindful that there are people who will malign their leaders because of personal grievances. However this does not mean that God will allow sinful leaders to go scot free, without answering for their sins. If there is reason to believe that a leader is living in sin (eg drinking, adultery, etc), in the presence of 2 or 3 witnesses, he should be given a chance to admit his wrongs or prove that he is innocent. If indeed he has done wrong, then he should be counselled and restored.

God will punish those who slander, persecute and martyr his appointed leaders. After all all of us have sin and do continually to sin. While our leaders are supposed to be good examples we must remember that they are human and can be susceptible too. God wants us to exercise grace to our leaders just as he has shown grace to us.

[joy irowa]

A.by respecting and seeing God in them

B. when you hear from the mouth of 2 or 3 wienesses

C.they have their reward

[Platoz]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12)

How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day?

We should honor and respect the ones who are anointed by God to do his work. This doesn't mean that the ones who are anointed should not be accountable but there is where things get mucky. Sometimes it is hard for church leaders to share their plan for the church.

What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account.

19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.

What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?


Punish them. Actually I could go on and on about this subject. I understood what I Timothy said and I have no problem with believing it and respecting and honoring the verse. I believe that when one does have a problem with the character of one of their church leaders, and it cannot be resolved, then that person would do themselves and the church good if they would leave that church and find another.

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[tammie7]

In today ministry it mean not talking about your leader or

working against your leader with other in your church.You are

not to do anything against God anoint people. We really don't

know who God aniont are it may not be who we think it is.God

Pastor are held accountable for what come out of they month

to his people if it cause them to go the wrong way.They

will inherit the bless of God.

[Lorraine Overstreet]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12)

How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord’s anointed in our day?

What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account.

What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?

a. God said "do not touch my anointed one's" This does not mean that Gods servants

can't be called to account for wrongdoing. We do need to respect whom God has

placed into a leadership position and make very sure of our facts before doing anything.

b. We do not entertain an accusation against ""an elder unless it is supported by two

or three other witnesses"". Those who do sin should be publicly rebuked, so that

others may take warning.

c. To those who do slander and persecute and martyr, God will judge them himself,

and punish them according to His will.

[royk]

nyhtingQ2. (1 Samuel 24:12) How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord’s anointed in our day? What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account. What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders? We know that many speak against our newly elected president, Obama, for all the spending he has done without much results so far. This is truly against God and his will. President Obama was properly elected. Now we must support the legal process which will enact new laws, taxes, and cuts. We pray that this will bring our people closer to God. Anything else is disobedience to God's word

[wifee]

2a)Lifting the hand against our appointed church leaders today means restraining from gossip&talking down our leaders,or working against their leadership with others,so called clique of opposition, but show them &God respect &obedience because God has appointed them to preach,lead and pastor us, as God’s flock in a certain place.

b)1Timothy:19-20 guides us to accept only accusations against a leader made by evidence of more than one person&where sin is found,he/she should be,disciplined publically,so that warning is given to others, but also counselled to bring restoration following repentance.If someone disgrees with the leader’s style or direction of leadership, then the unity of fellowship, should be protected&person should consider leaving church.

c)For those who slander, persecute and martyr appointed leaders God will bring punishment onto them.

[srwbibleman]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12) How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day?

It is not up to judge and avenge. It is for The Lord to do this. We are not to try to be the Holy Spirit for other people.

 

What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account.

First we need 2 or 3 witnesses and we should publicly rebuke them so others will fear

 

What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?

I believe The Lord will avenge his servants at the proper time

 

 

 

[cjenkins1388]

How do we apply the principal of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day?

1. I don't think physical violence is an issue in todays society with church leaders.

2. Gossiping, sabotaging, underminding is what happens most these days and applying this principal should be to stop doing these things and obey our Heavenly Father

 

What provisions are there in 1 timothy 5:19-20 for calling leader to account

1. There has to be 2 or more witnesses against a leader and it should be taken to the next level.

2. The issue needs to be brought up to the whole congregation so everyone can learn from their mistakes.

 

 

 

 

[karynjg]

(1 Samuel 24:12) How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day? What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account. What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?

 

God's chosen leaders are to be shown respect.  Thoughtful, wise and careful consideration must be given to a situation when a church leader is questioned about his behavior.  Several people who have witnessed the offense should go together to confront the leader.  God will judge our actions when we do not act accordingly.

[WinstonY]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12) How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord’s anointed in our day? What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account. What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?

Here in North America we can apply this principle by respecting our leaders. This does enough mean that our leaders are always right and that they should not be changed but it doesn't mean that we are to give them a chance. If they do not do what is right they can be removed at the next election.

1 Timothy suggest that we do not act against our elected Christian leaders until 2 or 3 come to testimony against them. God will not probably be friendly to those who turn against the leaders of Christians.

[Zibuyile]

1. How do we apply principle  of not lifting the  finger against  the annointed  of God

By showing respect in the position they are given   knowing that it's God who put them there and that it is God who will deal with their wrong doing

2. What provision in 1 Timothy5:19-20 for calling leaders to account?

1 Timothy states that we should not entertain accusation to our leaders by single person,  we should not act harshly without getting proper explanation of  the situation.

God said it's Him who'll revenge on our behalf therefore we should give it to Him 

[crissy464]

Respect for Gods people in leadership
Uphold the integrity of the church and warn others of the consequences of sin.
They will be punished 

[Irmela]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12)

How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day?

What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account.

What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?

We need to pray for the ones that God has placed in leadership positions, not fight them.  When there definitely is proof that the leader has not acted right (according to two or three witnesses) then he is called to account publicly so others are warned and should heed this and not go down the same path.  When they are wrongly accused those accusers too will be punished.

[Krissi]

Why are “God’s anointed” presumed to be leaders? I would think that the humble woman who cleans up after the kids in daycare is just as anointed as the pastor, if not more. Anointing isn’t just for leaders. All of us are anointed. As Christians, we have the Spirit.

Thus, I choose to not slander ALL people … but speak the truth. This is where Pastor Ralph and I may disagree.

If a person, particularly someone invested with enough power to harm/help others, misuses his office, I pray God will reject him quickly. When our political leaders do evil by targeting and harming innocent citizens or fomenting needless wars, to purposely gag ourselves into silence or coerced inactivity strikes me as grossly sinful. It is sinful to not help others. It is sinful to not call out people who are evil-doers and thus protect others. It is sinful to look away and pretend nothing is happening.

Passivity in the face of injustice is sin. Injustice has a face. Someone's face. A person is unjust. Injustice doesn't rain down inexplicably, but comes into a system -- religious or political -- through evil-doing people. 

Perhaps it’s time to revisit David. It was written that David did not harm Saul out of respect for his ‘office.’  Fair enough. In my eyes, this was more of a political and spiritual calculation on the part of David, but bracketing this, what if lives could have been preserved or strengthened if David killed Saul earlier, precisely because the Spirit had already left Saul and had entered himself?

I will never respect “offices” but rather will respect (or not) the people who hold those offices. I do not respect the president because he is president, for example -- I cannot imagine respecting an abstraction like the “office” of the president. Instead, I choose to respect those who are respectable. And, conversely, I disrespect evil-doers, particularly if they are in a position to harm others.

God calls ALL of to account for the words we say about ALL other people. In fact, if a Christian is in a position of power, God may judge them more stringently because their potential to do harm is so much greater. It is not slander to "out" a leader who is sexually perverted, abusive, stealing, etc. It is not persecution to send out mass emails about political leaders who are secretly fomenting unnecessary wars. And if evil political leaders die at the hand of an enemy combatant, this is not martyrdom but His welcome justice.

I have no statistics to back up this statement, but my hunch is that many more evil leaders have been murdered than godly men/women leaders have been martyred.

 

 

[Nicolaas A.P. Mostert]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12)

How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day?

As David has refused to lift his hand against the Lord's anointed, we need to show respect for the office, even if the people who fill the office are imperfect.

What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account.

Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.

What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders?

GOD warns them, if lifted the hand GOD will punish them.

[LadyT]

Q2. (1 Samuel 24:12) How do we apply the principle of not lifting a hand against the Lord's anointed in our day? It's hard for me to answer this question because I've lost faith in many pastors and spiritual leaders I've come across. My main focus is treating everyone I meet with respect until they openly reject me. From then, I simply remain cordial.

What provisions are there in 1 Timothy 5:19-20 for calling leaders to account. What do you think God will do to those who slander, persecute, and martyr his appointed leaders? I haven't ever read Timothy.