Q3. Discipline and Covenant

[Commissioned]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16) There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant – that God will discipline David’s descendants when they sin. How did God discipline David and his descendants?

The discipline to David's descendants came in the form of captivity by foreign rulers. Under Solomon's son Rehoboam the kingdom split The split-off Northern Kingdom went through nine different royal dynasties before it ended in exile by the Assyrians in 722 BC. The Southern Kingdom of Judah, on the other hand, experienced just a single dynasty throughout the approximately 400 years between David ascending the throne until the final exile to Babylon in 587 BC.

[Lorraine Overstreet]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16)

There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant – that God will

discipline David’s descendants when they sin. How did God discipline

David and his descendants?

a. God disciplined David for his sins, in the form of family problems

and suffering. There was the rape of a daughter, the death of a son,

a coup from his son Absalom, his son from Batheshba died. And for

his descendants, they eventually lost. They were defeated in battle.

Under Rehoboam (solomon's son) the kingdom was split.

[tammie7]

By family problem and suffering from a coup by his son

Absolom.

[royk]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16) There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant – that God will discipline David’s descendants when they sin. How did God discipline David and his descendants?

The kingdom split under Solomon's son Rehoboam. The split-off Northern Kingdom went through nine different royal dynasties before it ended in exile by the Assyrians in 722 BC. The Southern Kingdom of Judah, on the other hand, experienced just a single dynasty throughout the approximately 400 years between David ascending the throne until the final exile to Babylon in 587 B

The consequences of foolish or evil acts is punished by God, but not to the point of the kingdom being permanently destroyed forever. The profits tell of things to come in the books of the old testament that precede the birth of Jesus, who is in David's birth line.

[wifee]

3a)God will treat David’s descendents as his special sons, God as Father, disciplining them when disobey his instructions e.g. On an individual level when David sinned with Bathsheba,the child he fathered in adultery died even though he prayed&fasted.His son Absalom almost killed David and became king. On a national level - a plague from God struck Israel because of David's insistence on taking a census.

b)As for David's descendants, Solomon turned away from God and as a result his son Rehoboam had much of the kingdom taken from him.The split-off Northern Kingdom went through nine different royal dynasties before it ended in exile by the Assyrians in 722 BC. Then Judah, the southern kingdom still ruled by David's line, had a succession of good and bad kings up until the exile. The goodness and or badness of each king was reflected in how well the kingdom fared in terms of prosperity, success in battles,The Southern Kingdom of Judah, on the other hand, experienced just a single dynasty throughout the approximately 400 years between David ascending the throne until the final exile to Babylon in 587 BC ,God’s love is constant

[srwbibleman]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16) There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant – that God will discipline David’s descendants when they sin. How did God discipline David and his descendants?         

 

In David's case, the chastisement came in the form of family problems and suffering from a coup by his son Absalom.

 

 

[WinstonY]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16) There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant – that God will discipline David’s descendants when they sin. How did God discipline David and his descendants?

David and his descendants are disciplined by God by the family difficulties- rape, uprisings, death,etc.

[Zibuyile]

How did God discipline David and his descendants.  He punished them with rod of men , but never took His love away from them 

[Irmela]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16)

There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant -- that God will discipline David's descendants when they sin. How did God discipline David and his descendants?

With David, there was trouble in his household.  When he sinned with Bathsheba, their baby died.  David's daughter, Tamar, was raped by her half-brother Amnon. Absalom, David's favourite son, Tamar's brother, swore vengeance and was responsible for killing Amnon.  Absalom also tried to usurp the throne from David.  Absalom was killed inspite of David's request to the contrary, in the civil war that ensued. 

After Solomon's son the nation was split into the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom.

Then there followed some good kings and some bad kings and eventually the kingdom of Judah was also led away into captivity.  But the time for the everlasting kingdom is fast approaching.

[Krissi]

I find it interesting that there's a such a strong, instant and direct correlation between the behavior (and beliefs?) of the Israelites and their war victories, wealth and prestige as a nation. If such consequences were that clear for us today, I'm sure we'd behave better. Like children, if there was an immediate and swift response, we'd shape up. But what's happened over the years, and to some degree was occurring in David's time, is that the immediate and obvious connection was muddied between behavior and God's response.

Thus, the conditional aspect of the covenant could be easily forgotten which meant that the Jews constantly cycled through gross sin, punishment, restoration and success ... then back to gross sin, etc.

In miniature, Christians go through these cycles in their own lives. We grow, are tested, screw up, fail, start again with His help and after a period of self-reflection and contrition, and then climb back to success. Once at the pinnacle of success, we often fail. And thus the cycle is repeated.

As nations, it will be interesting to see if those that claim to be Christian in heritage though post-Christian in faith, such as Western countries, are punished by God for their apostasy and gross sin. My hunch is that upcoming events (world war?, western economic collapse?, government-caused pandemics/poverty/suffering?) will precipitate such a judgment by God. This will probably happen in most of our lifetimes.

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As an aside, Jews have been frantically trying to trace individual families back to David for many years. They're doing this because it gives them claim to the mount on which the temple will be built, where the wailing wall and the Muslim Dome on the Rock currently exist. I believe Jews will be pressing these claims in International courts which do not recognize Israel as a nation existing for more than 70 years, or so. Supposedly many Jews have been identified as direct descendants of David.

Given their desire/motive to prove this lineage, I am skeptical. But it does seem that some people would likely remain who are related in some distant way to David. All those wives must have borne lots of children!  

[Nicolaas A.P. Mostert]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16)

There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant -- that God will discipline David's descendants when they sin. How did God discipline David and his descendants?

The chastisement came in the form of family problems and suffering from a coup by his son Absalom.

[LadyT]

Q3. (2 Samuel 7:14-16) There is a conditional aspect in the Davidic Covenant -- that God will discipline David's descendants when they sin. How did God discipline David and his descendants? Internal strife