Q4. Messianic Fulfillment

[tammie7]

IT WAS FORFULL BY JESUS CHRIST.

[royk]

Q4. The Davidic kingdom did end in 587 BC -- temporarily. How did God fulfill his promises in the Davidic Covenant? In what ways is it fulfilled in Christ?

We know that Jesus came directly from the line of David. Is is amazing and besutiful how God's will is always done, despite the errors of humans We se this time and time again, and we know we are frail sinful humans, but if we seek God and recognize when we have sinned, then we can be forgiven in Jesus' name.

​Why did he have to suffer so much for us, and especially for me?

God's love is so big, so high, so pure and perfect. What more could we ask for, and why not follow him as best as we can every day and moment!

[wifee]

4a)God always had the remnant of Israel. There was a break in the line until the sinless perfect King was born of Virgin Mary.God fulfilled promise that the king of Israel would come from the lineage of David in Jesus.He now reigns through the body of Christ,who have been given the authority &responsibility as His ambassadors to carry on Jesus work.

.If we believe that Jesus is God's Son,believe also that He is Christ the Messaiah, the Davidic promise of Israel.Jesus came as Israel’s “ Passover Lamb” to be slain, God's promise of mercy and grace was sent not just to IsraeL, but to the world, to all those who will put their faith and trust in Israel’s promised “Messaiah”.Revelation 11:15, Jesus will reign for ever and ever.".” When the last enemy is destroyed, namely death, then comes the end, and He will hand over the kingdom to God the Father, as seen in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, “Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. Thank you God for sending him to rescue us.

[WinstonY]

Q4. The Davidic kingdom did end in 587 BC – temporarily. How did God fulfill his promises in the Davidic Covenant? In what ways is it fulfilled in Christ?

as we saw above the Covenant with David consisted of three parts that were fulfilled and David's lifetime and three unconditional promises that would not be filled until the coming of Christ. With Christ coming in the Fulfillment of his work off salvation completed the other promises for God's Kingdom was set up on Earth as it is in heaven. With the coming of Jesus the problems that were fulfilled.

[Krissi]

I am confused by this topic so please forgive me if this response does not make sense.

I thought a covenant was a one-sided promise – in the bible, a covenant was made when God promises to do something even those the recipients of his promise were not obligated to do anything in return. There is no benefit, to God, in a covenant – He promises and then is obligated to His promise forever. The only benefit accrues to the recipient of His promise.  

If this is the case, how can there be conditional promises? I suppose since God is the one setting the terms, He can make this promise conditional on our behavior/belief but that comes perilously close to having both parties of the covenant having to promise something. In other words, God promises X and we promise Y, AND X is contingent on our doing Y. The entire idea of a covenant changes if it’s contingent, right? No longer is God promising something only He must fulfill. Now, we have to do something to “activate” His promise.

Historically, the Davidic kingdom ended for a couple generations and then resumed. This covenant was ultimately and finally concluded with Jesus, Christian believe, as Jesus is eternal and his kingdom over which He rules, though unseen, never ends. Both of Jesus’ parents were from the same “genetic” stock. Jews, of course, believe that somehow David’s kingdom continued even during times where there wasn’t a throne or kingdom, including now (unless Netanyahu is on the throne!)

In the church today, many Christians of a more charismatic stripe believe that God continues to make new covenants with nations, churches, and individual believers. Is this true? Does God make new covenants with us? Today – right now! -- does God promise to do things for/to us either conditionally or unconditionally? I recall reading that God made a total of six (maybe it was another number) covenants in the Bible and that there would be no more. I don’t know if this is true. Some Christians believe that God made a covenant to "save" the United States based on a prayer of an early settler. What concerns me about this idea is this:  how can we, mere believers, command God to promise to submit to something we think He said to us personally? In a way, this reverses the power of the covenant so that our demand because His command. We’re forcing God to submit to a prior agreement that we imposed on Him, without changing its original premise and wording.

God made a covenant with Adam/Eve in the garden to give them eternal life … as long as they obeyed His commands. They could not and so failed. The covenant was broken because it was contingent on “good” behavior. The covenant that Moses made with the Israelites was similarly conditional on behavior. Did it fail? I think so. The people didn't live up to their end of the contingency. God promised David that his offspring would be on his throne … if they were “righteous sons.”   It seems that any conditional promise of God, that is, any promise He made the fulfillment of which was conditional on our behavior, has been negated by our sin. We didn’t do our part because we couldn’t – we’re fallen. We can’t keep our end of any agreement.

Why does God keep making promises when He knows we can’t keep them? Here's the biggie that worries me -- Even the New Covenant, the promise of salvation, is contingent on our ability to turn toward Him in repentance so that He will forgive us. Jesus’ death on the cross seals this promise. Even the free gift of salvation is contingent on our asking for it with enough sincerity. The hope is that our sincerity is sufficient, that only the faith of a mustard seed is required for God to fulfill His terms of the covenant, the one-sided promise He made with us. I know I’m supposed to feel confident that God will always grant salvation to those who seek it (even though God draws people to Him via the Holy Spirit, so in a very real way, He’s fulfilling His own promise) but… well, have we sought hard enough? IS our desire to be saved sincere enough … do we understand what we’re doing enough? Can we ever do our part adequately by asking for salvation with enough sincerity and understanding?

[Nicolaas A.P. Mostert]

Q4. The Davidic kingdom did end in 587 BC -- temporarily. How did God fulfill his promises in the Davidic Covenant?

An authentic covenant, sealed by God's solemn oath to David. 

In what ways is it fulfilled in Christ?

The fulfillment of the Davidic covenant shall be complete when the angel shall proclaim at the Messiah's coming.

 

[LadyT]

Q4. The Davidic kingdom did end in 587 BC -- temporarily. How did God fulfill his promises in the Davidic Covenant? I don't know. I've never read that far.

In what ways is it fulfilled in Christ? Again, unsure.