Pastor Ralph Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvoryEagle Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 What punishment does David deserve? DEATH What does he get instead? DEATH OF HIS SON AND STRIFE FOR UPCOMING SONS How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? HIS LINE WILL STILL RULE BUT THE ROD OF GOD WILL ALWAYS BE PRESENT TO HOLD THEM ACCOUTABLE IF THEY GET OUT OF LINE. How do David's sins hurt God's glory? IT SENDS THE SIGNAL THAT IT IS GOD WHO SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED INSTEAD OF MAN. MAN IS GOD'S REPRESENTATIVE TO UNBELIEVERS. How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? IT MAKES A MOCKERY OF HIS DEATH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 David deserves the sword. He got, instead, God's discipline. He said the sword would never depart from his house, that a calamity would occur that involved all his wives, and the death of Bathsheba's son. Our sins, like David's hurt God's reputation with the unsaved, his enemies. David, by that act had shown that he despised the word of the Lord. We, too, when we sin, we hurt the cause of Christ, instead of bringing Him glory. We show our disrespect for the Lord & His commandments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csreeves Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? David deserves death but he hears and repents to God loses his child, but returns to serve God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David's sins hurt God's glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? David's deserved to die for adultery and murder but he got away with a merciful punishment of a) his son, the product of adultery to die; His kingdom to be threatened by a mutiny and David's wives to be defiled by his own blood relations. The Davidic Convenant provided that violation of the Covenant will attract punishment through other men. This what David got through his Absalom. David's sins tarnished the glory of God by making the unbelievers belittle the God of David. Our sins do similar thing and close doors of salvation as we cease to be light and salt of the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delivered Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? Sin, despising the commandments of the LORD is evil in God's sight and it requires "DEATH", God's judgment. What does he get instead? David received "MERCY". "MERCY" was given to David whose spirit was broken, whose heart was filled with "GREAT SORROW" as he felt the pain of "SIN" beating against his heart, replacing the "JOY" he had as when he walked with the LORD. David’s REPENTANT heart cried out when he realized what he had done was despicable, for he had SINNED not just against others, but against the LORD he so loved. The LORD put away David's sin, giving mercy to him instead of death. This is a great lesson on what true "REPENTANCE" is. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? The punishment David received from God is that of a father who loves his son, for it is because of love that He will chastise him, in order that he understand how destructive "SIN" is, love will not tolerate sin, sin is a wall that separates mankind from the joy of God's love, teaching mankind how important it is that we keep the commandments of the LORD, that we walk in His ways, and that we "FEAR GOD". Death did not come to David, but it did come to the child, this was the consequences of the sin of David and Bathsheba, the consequences of their deed gave opportunity for the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, to say "The God of Israel must not be very holy, see how He tolerates sin in the life of the king! This is a great lesson for us today as we read in Galatians 6:7 be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. How do David's sins hurt God's glory and how do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? God's Son is "God's Glory", therefore if our hearts desire is to walk in sin, we are blaspheming what Jesus has done for us, allowing others to say "The God of Israel must not be very holy, see how he tolerates sin in the life of those who believe in the line of David, in the King of Kings". God is the same today as He was yesterday, and He will not be mocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Grace Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? David deserved death. He had completely and utterly despised God. He deserved that in return. Instead, David received mercy, but he also received discipline and punishment. His son from Bathsheba died and he would be punished with a rod through men when he did wrong in the future. David's sins hurt God's glory because David represented God's Kingdom. If the representative shows contempt for who he represents then that is severe. It makes others question the validity of what he believed and who he served. Our sins represent the same thing. If we are representatives of God's Kingdom, but go about and do anything we want, not following truth, then we show others we don't REALLY believe it and we dishonor God and His supremacy in our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjcargile Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 The punishment David deserve is Death. However, our loving God forgave him as he has forgiven us for our many sins. David family life was a calamity, 3 of his sons were killed, his daughter was rapped by her brother, one son took over David's kingdom and slept in public with David's concubines. King Solomon walk wasn't pleasing to the Lord in his later years. 2 Sam 7: 14-15. God promished to punish David if he did wrong but He would not take His love from him. David sins, our sins hurts God glory when we sin against Him. Our sins reflect on JESUS CHRIST when we sin against Him. JESUS CHRIST suffered and died for our sins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 . (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? David said when he heard about the ewe lamb being killed, the man deserved death! What does he get instead? He gets mercy ("The Lord has put away your sin, you will not die" 12:13) But he had to grieve the death of his son; the sword would never leave his house, and the Lord would raise up evil from his own house. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? "When he commits iniquity I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the stripes of the sons of men"...which is what David suffered. This is also prophetic of how the Lord Jesus was chastened and killed for my sins at the hands of men. How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? David was the anointed King (and example) for Israel. He tarnished and besmirched his place as spiritual leader and as a result the people were punished and experienced the Righteous anger of God, instead of His blessing! How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? We all sin, and He died once for all. However when we blatantly sin, I think it appears to others that we cheapen His death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar Jim Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? In the Law of Moses the penalty for adultery is death. What does he get instead? God is merciful to David and instead of killing him outright, as He did Uzziah for a much lesser infraction, He punished David by allowing his son Absolom to publicly humiliate him and almost succeed in toppling him from the throne! In addition God doesn't allow David's enemies to be completely subdued and David has to keep the country at a state of war readiness for the rest of his life. The most severe punishment of all is that the son born of David's adultery will die. That will definitely haunt David for the rest of his life. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? In the Davidic Covenant, God outlined how David and his descendants would be punished for breaking faith with Him. "With the rod of men and with floggings inflicted by men". As severe as David's punishment may seem, it's still better than death. How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? David's sins reflect badly on God. David is known far and wide as a man of God and a man after God's own heart. To commit wilfull sins on the scale David did, adultery and murder that he tried unsuccessfully to cover up, brings God's Name into disrepute. The other nations around Israel and the countries David had conquered would all hear of this and God's Name would be sullied. How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? When we willfully sin we treat as a cheap thing the death of Jesus Christ on our behalf. The world is watching us and when they see us act no differently than people who don't know Jesus as Lord they will see no need to seek Him for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? DEATH MERCY but with consequences of his actions. David was corrected by the rod of men, however God never removed His lovingkindness from David and He preserved the Davidic line. He brought disgrace on the Lord and he paid such a price for it. Can you still hear him mourning Absalom. It is beyond heartbreaking. Lord have mercy on us. We are all hypocrites and those who use it as an excuse for condemning Christ better look at themselves. Our Lord has more Nathans in the world who can bring the truth of ourselves to light for all to see. God doesn't sweep the dirt of our sin under the carpet however He is still the Lord of mercy on His children who repent. God Bless! Jen Romans 15:13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwalane Mofokeng Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? Same punishment he ever thought about the man in the parable. “I swear by the living Lord that the man who did this deserves to die! 6 And because he didn’t have any pity on the poor man, he will have to pay four times what the lamb was worth.” What does he get instead? Sorrow How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? Though David sin God promise is: His love will never be taken away from him (He forgive him) v13-14 How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? He did it secretly How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? Same as David because of his love for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David's sins hurt God's glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? David's adultery with Bathsheba was a sin of passion, a sin of the moment that overtook him, but his sin of having Uriah killed was premeditated murder, a crime that was deliberate and disgraceful. The punishment David deserves, like all of us, is death. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:23).” But instead of death, David gets forgiveness – he confesses “I have sinned against the Lord”, and Nathan assures David that the Lord has forgiven him. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).’ David himself writes in Psalm 103:12 – “as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.” So, God has forgiven David, but he does not escape the punishment he deserves. As we see in 2 Samuel 7:14-15, God has promised that he will remain a father to David and David will receive punishment inflicted by men. And this is what happened. The first baby conceived by David and Bathsheba died by disease. Amnon was murdered by Absalom. Absalom was killed by Joab. Adonijah will be executed by Solomon. David’s sins, and ours, hurt God’s glory, in that when we knowingly sin, we insult God and show contempt for Him. How do our sins reflect on Jesus? Well, all our sins are put upon Him. He died on the cross for David’s sins and all our sins. As we read in 1 Peter 2:24, “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed (1 Peter 2:24). All I can say is that we are fortunate to have a loving Heavenly Father full of grace and mercy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhndwsh Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 David deserves death as his punishment for the severity of his sins. Instead he was given mercy from death. His punishment-- his son from Bathsheba died for his sins. When he does wrong God will punish him with the rod of men, with flogging inflicted by men. But his love will never be taken away from him, as God took it away from Saul 7:14-15 Instead of bringing God glory David has shown disrespect for the Lord and His commandments. By the act that he despised the word of God. David sins taints the glory of God by making the believers lose faith in David for his God. Shows lack of disrespect for what God has done for us. HE died for our sins so that we might die to sins and live righteously . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raph Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? David deserve death. What does he get instead? Instead he gets calamity upon his household. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? In both cases the punishment is inflicted by through men. How do David's sins hurt God's glory? David's sins hurt God's glory as the people who do not believe in God will now despise the believers and see that there is no need to believe in God. How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? Our sins sadden Jesus Christ. By committing sins we are like crucifying Jesus again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis63 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 What punishment does David deserve? The written Word on more than one occasion says death. What does he get instead? Mercy, a demonstration of love. He doesn't die a physical death, the child does. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? "I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee." His son's / family those close David would be instruments either ordained or allowed to chasten David, yet God would extend mercy and remove him as He did Saul. God would honor His word, the covenant, David would received punishment. Just as a father in the natural chasten his son through love, God would do so with David so that he understands how destructive "SIN" is. David followed (****, fear, deceit, etc..) his emotions, he would experience emotional distress. His sin in its exactness would not directly continue, however generational sins would follow from the example that he projected. The sword (emotional distress and the results from these distresses) were ever present in David's immediate family, yet the Lord was available to comfort, to provide rest, to help etc. How do David's sins hurt God's glory? Just as our sins do, it does not glorify Him! It identifies that we are disobedient, that we are not honoring Him. How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? reflect - (mirror, imitate, replicate, be a sign of) Our sins are not in the likeness of Christ nor the behavior that He demonstrated that we imitate, however because He is compassion He provides a way back to the Father for us as we return unto Him. It has been and it will always be true, it is the Spirit that draws men unto Him, however our use will not be as effective. Often man sees the negative clearer than they can see that which was transformed, or the lessons learned. Our salt have the potential to lose its saltiness when our sins are exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highohfaith Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? Only God knows what punishment a person deserves. Judgement is his, and his alone to pronounce. What does he get instead? He gets what God feels is just punishment. God dishes out judgment and wrath according to HIS measure. Sometime the sins we do, follow us, our sins hurt others in our family and others who are completely innocent ( e.g. Uriah the Hittite) , sometimes for generations to come. Even though we are forgiven, if God feels we need to reprimanded, so be it. "GOD IS GOD and WE are not!" How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? God's wrath is carried out through the floggings of men. His judgement and wrath are given to us in a flesh way, since man's nature is flesh-centered, God gives us punishment we can relate to. The Davidac covenant promises that we will receive a Savior, a Savior is to come from the son of David, son of God, and the covenant is fulfilled through Jesus Christ. Though God did punish David harshly and in a very public manner for his sin with Bathsheba and the murder of Uriah. God did not break the Davidac covenant, this covenant unconditional, A Savior would be born from the seed of David. This covenant is given by God's grace, God's love for us, and it is fulfilled through Jesus Christ and will be completed at the second coming of our savior..God's promises do not fail! God is our Father, and as any good father, He will dish out punishment when He feels it is needed. And, as any father loves a child, Our father does this in hopes that we may learn from our sin. His plan always has our best interest in mind. He loves us. His love is greater than any earthly father, if our earthly fathers love us so, how much more does our Heavenly Father love us? The LORD, your God, is in your midst, a mighty savior; He will rejoice over you with gladness, and renew you in his love, He will sing joyfully because of you,... (Zeph 3.17). How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? David is saddened by his sins, he has surely hurt God, however I don't feel his sins HURT God's GLORY but rather REVEAL God's GLORY! How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? If we do not live our lives according to the will of God, pursuing righteousness. Than we have rendered the life and death of Jesus, our Savior, to be in vain. Jesus said in Matthew 5:6 ( in His Sermon on the Mount) "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled." We must not let our sins separate us from God. We can learn this great lesson from David's response to his punishment and his willingness to be held accountable to God. Instead of being angry at God, he LEARNS from this very hard lesson. He learns forgiveness, God's wrath, the importance of obedience, and repentance. David truly does love God,( and God loves David unconditionally) even in his darkest hour of punishment ( the dying hours of his first son with Bathsheba ) David's faith ( that God will save the boy) and heart are with God. When God delivers David's harsh punishment David accepts it as grace (forgiveness) and God's will. He does not blame God. He alone is accountable. Trust and seek God relentlessly, ( as David does again, again, again) even if our sin nature gets in the way, ESPECIALLY if our sin nature gets in the way. Run TO God, not AWAY from God. Jesus is sent to reconcile us, by grace and grace alone. He is atonement for our sins. All we need to do is accept His grace and ask his forgiveness, repent and seek righteousness. No matter what troubles we have, run the good race and never give up! Run the race with forgiveness, obedience, faith and love! Break down all the walls and let God to do His work in us till the day of completion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Jerry Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 The punishment that David deserved was death because he killed somebody else. But instead he got life but he is going to be punished for his miss deeds. The punishment relates to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in that it says that man will inflict the punishment on him. That is what happened when his son tried to take over the kingdom and he slept with his concubines. David’s sin hurt God’s glory because the people knew that he was a worshiper of God but now that he sinned it would indicate that maybe this was a teaching of God. The same is true with us. When people know that we are a follower if Jesus Christ and we sin it looks like we are no better than those that don’t follow Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semeion Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? I would think that David desreves strict direct punishment---perhaps death would have been in order? But then he was a man after God's heart. So, instead the Lord puts the sword to the house of David. In 2 Samuel 7:14-15, the Lord says "If David commits iniquity I will chasten him witht he rod of men" KJV. David's sins hurts God's glory because God made provisions for David, anointed him, gave to him and made him a promise(s) in secret, so now David will be punished before all of Israel. Our sins reflect the need for a savior- Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platoz Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? Death What does he get instead? He keeps the Davidic covenant but he does get punished by God. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? The Davidic covenant was unconditional. It would not be taken away from David ever but that did not mean that David would not have a price to pay for his sin. How do David's sins hurt God's glory? For people who are on the fence about receiving Christ it dulls God's glory. They wonder how those who profess to know Christ can treat him so badly. Those Christians are no better than they are – they think. They don't see the need or the difference in how they are without accepting Christ and accepting Christ and living for him. How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? They make mockery of Jesus. If Jesus is such a good deal why are people who sing his praises one day sinning against Christ the next day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda bass Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The punishment that David deserves is death. The baby,which was the result of David and Bathsheba's adulterous affair,dies. David's sins hurt God's glory because his sin was actually against God. Our sins reflect on Jesus Christ by causing Him grief and sorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blezed Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 What punishment does David deserve? 1. David's punishment should be death What does he get instead? 2. Instead, there will be calamity from David's household. David's son with Bathsheba will die and his wives will be given to someone else. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? 3. The Lord doesn't punish directly, He uses men. How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? 4. Rebellion against God. How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? 5. The same as David's, rebellion against God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioned Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? David deserved to die for his sin. What does he get instead? David's punishment was that the sword will never depart from his house, his descendants will always be in battle. God promise to take away his wives and give them to someone who is close to him and this will bring shame on the family. How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? God promised that even when his children sin, he would chasten them but His mercy shall not depart from them. The provisions of the Davidic Covenant still stands. How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? David's sins hurt God's glory because he went against the will o God. How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? Our sins reflect on Jesus Christ because his blood was shed for our cleansing. When we sin we're holding on to that which Jesus died to rescue us from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tammie7 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Death of this son and strife for his upcoming sons, His lin will be rule with the rod of God,If we sin it show people that we are not who we say we are and it look bad when we try to tell someone about God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Overstreet Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Q4. (2 Samuel 12:10-14) What punishment does David deserve? What does he get instead? How does this punishment relate to the provisions of the Davidic Covenant in 2 Samuel 7:14-15? How do David’s sins hurt God’s glory? How do our sins reflect on Jesus Christ? a) According to David's own words in verse 5 "I swear by the living Lord that the man who did this deserves to die". But David was forgiven by the Lord, and received a punishment that involved the death of his youngest son, and strife and death for his other sons. Nathan told David, the sword will never depart from your house, but you will not die because the Lord took away your sins. BUT because of doing this, you have made the enemies of the Lord show utter contempt. The son to be born to you will die. God has promised to remain a father to David and when David or his descendants sin, they will recieve punishment. David's sins and our own hurts God's glory. c This punishment relates to the Davidic Convenant by the Lord's stating "when he (David or his descendants) sins, I will punish him with the rod of men, with flogging inflicted by men". The Lord used people to punish David. David's line will continue to rule, but the rod of God will hold them accountable if they sin. d) David's sin brought utter contempt on Jesus from their enemies. David represented God's kingdom. By his sins against God he tarnished his place as the spiritual leader. e) Our sins bring contempt on Jesus also. If we do not follow God's truth then we show others we do not really believe it ourself. Then we dishonor God and his supremacy in our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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