Pastor Ralph Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul’s instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickledilly Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Paul directed both those who would speak in a tongue and those who have a word of prophecy to exercise their gifts in a restrained and orderly fashion. No more than two or three were to speak either way. To those who spoke in tongues, he said that there must be interpretation or they must not speak publicly. To those who prophesied, he said that their message was to be weighed and considered by the hearers. I believe it is important that Paul differentiated hymns, lessons, revelations, tongues, and interpretations. Who knows how we would benefit today if we met together with such freedoms to exercise our spiritual gifts! I think the Lord would do exactly what Paul has described in 1Corinthians and Ephesians in strengthening our bonds of unity, enlightening our understanding of His Word, encouraging us in times of stress and disillusionment, developing our spiritual maturity, and growing us in love. I believe most pastors are afraid of this much release of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkerslope Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 How are Paul's instructions to those who speak in tongues in vs. 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in vs. 29-32? The one who speaks in tongues and the one who prophesy is controlled by the individual who is speaking. And no more than 3 at a time, with it being so that everyone can understand what is said, with a person to interpret the tongues being spoken. God want order so that all may benefit. How do they differ? While the one speaking in tongues needs to have another one interpret the message, the one prophesying speaks words to be understood and action taken. How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? Even though I do not believe the "Spiritual Gifts" are here today like in the New Testament period, I believe that God can do anything He wants to do, even have one prophecy in the assembly. In my assembly, we are very informal and while I speak, others can also speak out to comment on what is being said. My group is small - 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonY Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul’s instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? The similarities: a) let there be two or at most three Take turns, don't interrupt How do they differ difference in tongues -differences in prophecy -keep silent if there is no interpreter -church weighs what is said - speak quietly to God - If there is a revelation be silent and restart later - prophecy one by one. everyone - the spirits of prophets are subject to the prophets -meaning we are responsible and can be in control How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? -Work in small groups , it is easier to participate in a small group -Do not stress a particular gift but be open to all gifts -no pressure - talk and discuss the gifts, have people think of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonY Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Paul directed both those who would speak in a tongue and those who have a word of prophecy to exercise their gifts in a restrained and orderly fashion. No more than two or three were to speak either way. To those who spoke in tongues, he said that there must be interpretation or they must not speak publicly. To those who prophesied, he said that their message was to be weighed and considered by the hearers. I believe it is important that Paul differentiated hymns, lessons, revelations, tongues, and interpretations. Who knows how we would benefit today if we met together with such freedoms to exercise our spiritual gifts! Yes, we are missing out on an area in which God offers great power to his disciples. We need to be open to the spirit. The Spirit has been in the world, and working there for over 2000 years surely among his accomplishments is the growth of power in the world. It is up to us to grab the power of the Spirit and use it to further God's kingdom. I think the Lord would do exactly what Paul has described in 1Corinthians and Ephesians in strengthening our bonds of unity, enlightening our understanding of His Word, encouraging us in times of stress and disillusionment, developing our spiritual maturity, and growing us in love. I believe most pastors are afraid of this much release of control. Wow this is really something to contemplate. A pastor in control! But why not let the master be in control? good piece winstony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Both are trying to encourage those prophesying and those speaking in tongues to love each other by putting the other first. That's part of being kind and not rude. It needs to be done for the strengthening of the church. Those speaking in tongues must have an interpreter. That is very interesting. I have not been a member of a church that has this situation. We could all benefit if this is done correctly. I always thought that those prophesying were pastor/teachers. They don't preach new prophecy, just the Word! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sank T Monius Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 1 Corinthians 14:26-33Q). How are Paul's instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32?A). Those speaking in tongues and bringing prophecy should speak one after another and not interrupt each other.#Q). How do they differ?A). Speaking in tongues requires a person to interpret the words. the value of speaking in tongues is usually for prayer, praise, intercession and as a Language of Thanksgiving. Words of prophesy do not require an interpreter. The purpose of congregational prophecy is three-fold -- strengthening, encouragement, and comfort.#Q). How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people?A). If we hold meetings that are filled with prayer, thanksgiving and personal witness it may move the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delivered Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul's instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? If any man speaks in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most three, and someone must interpret, the same rule of orderly conduct is given to those who prophecy let the prophets speak two or three, and let it be judged. It is important that there be discipline in the house of God and that our worship be done in an orderly manner, allowing one by one to speak, so that all may learn together, for God is not a God of unruliness but of shalom (peace) How do they differ? The tongue is to be interpreted or else they must not speak to the congregation. The prophets are to be judged by the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul's instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? Similar are the controls that in any one meeting no more than three may speak and others were to interpret or judge. To avoid chaos people were not to speak at the same time but one after the other. In our meetings there must not only be edification, but there must be order. We have to be careful that we may think that a person who is less in control of himself, is perhaps more possessed by the Spirit. All prophetic messages were to be collectively evaluated against the Word of God. This was done to determine if the message was from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Grace Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Similarities in verses 27-28 with verses 29-32: Tongues: If anyone speaks in tongues, two or three at the most should speak, one at a time and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, then the speaker must keep quiet and speak to himself and God. Must exercise self discipline. Prophecy: Two or three prophets should speak, and all others should weigh carefully what is said. Those speaking must take turns so that all revelation will come out and so everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of the prophets are subject to the control of the prophets. Must exercise self discipline. Differences: Tongues needs an interpreter, if there is none present, they must be silent. Meetings today could be held with less structured programs and meet with the express purpose of hearing from the Holy Spirit where everyone can bring what message they have received for the benefit of all. I've been to several of these kinds of meetings whether they be Bible Studies, Worship gatherings or times expressly for prayer. They are less operated by "one" person who talks "at" the people, but are open forums where the Holy Spirit blesses the group through every person there. I love these gatherings and every once in awhile there may be an untruth enter in that must be addressed lovingly and encouragingly by the people, but for the most part, I've seen the Holy Spirit alive and active in these grouping where HE is the invited guest....not just some human teacher, pastor or special guest (though I have seen all three of these attend, enjoy and benefit as well as share in these kinds of gatherings). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul’s instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? Both are similar in their purpose that everything be constructive and edifying and for the good of all. (V26) and that all may be instructed and all may be stimulated and encouraged. (V31) How do they differ? The message in tongues must be interpreted (3 at most) by one interpreter. If no one is there to interpret then the message in tongues should not be given. Whereas there may be 2 or 3 prophets who speak and the listeners are to discern what is said, rather than an interpreter giving the explanation. How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? I appreciate how our church functions in this way: During worship, which may last for 30 to 40 minutes, and is alive and beautiful, and where the Holy Spirit's presence fills the room. There is time allowed (5 minutes or so and is spontaneous as the Holy Spirit leads, and is always orderly, as He is a God of order) for a prophecy, a song, a message in tongues,or encouragement during the worship time to be given. (No more than 3) Typically the one or ones who have been led to give a "word" come to the pastor and he will introduce them and give some instruction if needed regarding the message in tongues or prophecy or song. There is always an interpretation of tongues. It's orderly, edifying and wonderful and glorifies the Lord. We function just as Paul suggests and we all benefit...it's glorious to have been led to such a wonderful Church, where the Pastor and leaders only want to please the Father, and as a result His manifest Presence is there....in healing, deliverance, and praise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvoryEagle Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 How are Paul's instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? People should not be left without understanding. How do they differ? Tongues require interpretation or should not be spoken. Speak to self and/or God only. How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. "27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two -- or at the most three -- should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God." (14:27-28) "29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace." (14:29-33a) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighthouse2014 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul’s instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? Paul's instructions for those who use the gifts of tongues and prophecy were specific; tongues, only two or three where to speak one at a time and someone must interpret. If no interpreter then they should keep quite. Prophecy, only two or three should speak, the congregation should be instructed and encouraged by the prophecy. Tongues is usually a self edifying gift where as prophecy instructs, encourages and edifies the church. In church services today, usually after the praise and worship service the spirit usually moves for some to speak in prophecy gifts to the congregation for edification and instruction however, the spirit can prompt anyone to speak during the service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Jerry Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Paul’s instructions to both those who speak in tongues and those who prophecy is to do it in an orderly manner. They should not interrupt the speaker and they should control their emotions. But the one speaking in tongues need to have an interpreter. I think that the way that we should hold meetings today to allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions is to have house meeting or group meetings. This gives everybody that is gathers to speak in an orderly manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul's instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? Similarities: · Speak one at a time. · Not so many to speak- two or three are okay. They differ in that: · Speaking in tongues requires an interpreter while prophesy does not · In prophesy, when another person sitting has a new revelation, the one speaking should stop. By opening ourselves to the Holy Spirit to use us in any way He wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Beenleigh Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 How are Paul's instructions to those who speak tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? Two or at the most three, to speak during a gathering. One at a time Someone must interpret. If no interpreter to be quiet is similar to Two or three prophets to speak in turn If a revelation comes to one sitting down the other stops speaking. Others present should weigh carefully what is spoken. All in turn so all are instructed and encouraged Order in the service to be maintained in either case. How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? I do not belong to a church that have that type of meeting. It would be an experience to be sort after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dixonle Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul’s instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? http://www.joyfulheart.com/forums/topic/1375-q3-instructions/ Everything done in worship services, according to Paul, must beneficial to the congregation. Every worshipper ought to consider themselves a contributor. These principles touch every aspect – singing, preaching, the exercise of spiritual gifts. Contributions to the service (singing, speaking, reading, praying, playing instruments, giving) must be controlled and methodical and orderly enough to produce control of the people but within limits allow free expression as long as it fulfills the building up of the people. Although Paul would allow tongue speaking if it was accompanied with interpretation so that all got the clear edifying message from the LORD but that preaching/speaking/prophecy by far was the preferred method of doing this. It also should have love as the chief motivation. It is inherent within the intent of Pauline theology/thinking that everything should move towards strengthening the faith of the believers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blezed Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 How are Paul’s instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? 1. They are similar: (1) Two or three should speak (2) One at a time. They differ: (1) Speak in tongues must have an interpreter (2) Prophecy, if one is prophesying and someone else receives the message from Lord the one speaking should stop. How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? 2. Everything doesn't have to be planned. In fact, if everything is planned, where is the room for the intervention of the Holy Spirit if He wants to change things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irmela Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 Q3. (1 Corinthians 14:26-33) How are Paul's instructions to those who speak in tongues in verses 27-28 similar to his instructions to those who prophecy in verses 29-32? How do they differ? How might we hold meetings today that allow for the Spirit to inspire spontaneous contributions to the gathered people? To the speaking in tongues in the assembly, it should only be if there is an interpretation, or explanation of what is said. Also only two or at the most three. To those who prophesy, it should also be two or three and the rest should pay attention and weigh and discern what is being said. Both the tongues and the prophecy are under the speaker's control and subject to silence if necessary. God is not a God of confusion but a God of order and peace. The tongues uttered and prophecy spoken will interlace with the message spoken and often be a confirmation or broadening out of what God is saying through each one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissi Posted August 2, 2023 Report Share Posted August 2, 2023 Many of us belong to churches which are much larger than the small groups Paul probably had had in mind, about 20 people meeting in someone’s home. It must have been easier for worshippers to behave in an orderly fashion if they knew each other and could see what was going on in the group as a whole. Something must have been utterly chaotic for Paul to stress order in a small group! The only difference between Paul’s instructions to prophets and tongues-speakers is that the tongues-speakers were not permitted to speak without an interpreter (how did they know that someone would interpret what they were saying?) When worshipping, both of these gifts were restricted to two or three times per service. How did they spend the rest of the time? Prayer? Song? Communion? Witnessing? Personal testimony? Only tongues and prophecy were restricted but not healing, for example, which could happen at any time. The principle here is one of order. It’s a bit like any group meeting in which orderly rules must be set down; much like Robert’s Rules of order work in parliamentary meetings. I attend a liturgical church in which order is taken to the extreme – there is no room for spontaneity in the service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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