Q3. Identifying with Sinners

[linda bass]

Even though Daniel was a righteous man of his generation, he identifies with the sins of his people because he has placed himself in the middle of his nation's sins. As a member of a sinning nation, Daniel, in a sense, takes their sin upon himself.

How this compares to how Jesus sought forgiveness for His people is, Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world to save it. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse Himself.

[Moises Percu]

Since Daniel is such a righteous man in his generation, why does he identify himself with the sins of his people? He didn’t commit these sins. How does this compare to how Jesus sought forgiveness for his people?

Although Daniel had not committed the same sins he suffered the consequences of the sins of his people. He was carried away from his city because of the sins of Judah.

In the same way Jesus suffered for our sins, died for them and now interceed for us as our High Priest.

[Clelie]

Daniel is such a humble man of God living among sinners ,he considers  himself no better than them.

Though he did not commit the sins that have sent this people into exiled, he identifies himself as one of them in exile. 
 

Jesus came  to redeem his people to God.. To do that he has to pay the price of redemption . Since no sacrifice is high enough to pay for that redemptive work. He offered  Himself the flawless lamb to pay for our sins. Amen 

 

 

[Krissi]

 

Daniel was a member/citizen of the nation of Israel. As a citizen, he was, therefore, tarnished with the sins of others. Innocent people can be killed in war, for example, because they are citizens of a nation ruled by unjust, ignorant, evil or incompetent people. This always happens. The ordinary people of a nation pay the price of the sins of it's leaders. But in this case, it appears that the ordinary citizens in the nation have also sinned ... the rot from the top down had fully infected the people! 

Less infected, Daniel was identified as one of the people as well as a leader. The fact that he didn't act like the people, committing particular sins, matters not -- he was identified (carried the passport, so to speak) with the people of that nation. 

I do not think daniel was sinless, though he was a godly/god-fearing man. Jesus, in contrast, was sinless. His identification with the people of his nation was quite different than Daniel's, as He was both God and man, sinless and above the "passport ID" to which Daniel was subjected. There is a strong strain of universalism in Christian thought. 

Both sought forgiveness for others. Must I do the same? I wonder, as an intercessor, if I have to identify with the sins of the person/s for whom I am praying to assure that my prayers will be efficacious. Can I merely pray for them without identifying with them? Do I have to erase the distance between us, in some manner, to intercede for them?

Lets say I'm interceding for the victims of public school educators who are coercing the tranny/sexual-perversion on students. In what way do I have to identify with them? Or, lets say I'm interceding for a high ranking State Department officials who are fomenting wars and color revolutions on nations that simply want to be left alone. I certainly don't identify with them. But I do pray for them. And I pray that their belligerent acts are stymied, that the ordinary people who will become their victims are protected and given clear insight into whatever is going on. 

I guess I'm saying that I'm no longer sure how to intercede for others and if identifying with teh sins of other people is a prerequisite for effective intercessory prayer.

[Krissi]

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[Krissi]

 

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