Q1. Beginnings

[Paul Irving]

On 12/16/2016 at 1:38 PM, Pastor Ralph said:

Q1. (John 1:1-5, 14) When did Jesus glory and kingly authority have their origins? In what sense were they hidden while he was on earth? In what sense were they still present?

It always existed for Jesus Christ is self existing like God, they are one.  All things were made by Him and without Him nothing would have been made.  When Jesus Christ was on earth He had to look human which He fully was but also the Son of God.  His full glory wasn’t shone because He had to look like other people, not a diety.  Well, He still performed wonderous miracles that had people dumbfounded.  He spoke to the people as one who had authority not like the scribes or Pharisees.  I also think there was a halo shining on Him always, like so many pictures of Him have.

[newwine50]

Q1. (John 1:1-5, 14) When did Jesus glory and kingly authority have their origins? In what sense were they hidden while he was on earth? In what sense were they still present? 

Jesus' glory and kingly authority had their origins from before the beginning of the world, from the very beginning.  They were hidden on earth because he became man and took the form of a bond servant so that we could share in His glory.  Jesus said in John 17:22, "I have given them the glory that you gave me that they may be oneas we are one." 

Isaiah 53:2-3 says, "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him.  He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering and familiar with pain.  Like one from whom people hide their face He was despised, and we held Him in low esteem."

Phil. 2:7-11 says, "...He made Himself nofhing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.  And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to death---even death on a cross!  Therefore, God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord   Therefore, God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name that is above every name,  that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."  Jesus' glory and kingly authority were shown through the works that He did that were of the Father, the miracles He did.  Some people couldn't receive them because they saw His humanity rather than His divinity.  The same is true today.  Jesus uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise so taht no man may glory.

"But God who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God's glory displayed in the face of Christ.  But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us."  (2 Cor. 4:6-7)

 

[Zanele Tlhakanelo]

Jesus Christ's authority and glory preexisted and coexisted with God as part of the Trinity. Christ is the Creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit because when God created man, He said, "Let us make man in our image and after our likeness." Therefore Christ has been there before the foundation of the world.

His glory and authority was hidden while He was on earth because He did not come on His own but He was mandated by the Father to come and redeem the world that was full in sin. He came to do the will of the Father and not His will so that the Father may be glorified.

His glory and authority are still present because of the fulfilment of the will of the Father. When Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven, He did not leave us alone but the Holy Spirit took over as our Helper and that is the reason we see His glory manifest in the lives of all who believe in Him and have that God exist.