Pastor Ralph Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus’ standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government, if we followed Jesus’ standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 They are supposed to be representing Him & His values. Jesus' standard is a servant mindset. Our government would truly be serving the people & their needs. Truth would reign supreme--no more walking over others to get to the top. It is there more so than these other places. People would not be as self-centered. More joy in serving others. Needs would truly be met. Most of the arguments would not take place. More joy and growth in the marriage & family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 8/15/2017 at 2:33 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? Shepherds are caring for sheep that are not their own. Therefor they are to care for them in the manner that the Lord desires. To do otherwise is to betray God's charge. In a real shepherd, the rod is to protect the sheep but there are church pastors and leaders who beat their "sheep" with the Word instead of feeding the sheep in their care. What is Jesus’ standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). His standard is for servant leaders to care for their sheep in the manner that Jesus cares for His sheep. He came to serve rather than to be served. What would it look like in government, if we followed Jesus’ standard? Wow! What a concept to even think about that! It would be just the opposite of the greed, power mongering, self aggrandizement and self promoting we see now. Tax money would be spent on what it is designated for rather than "pork" to insure their next election. The Constitution would be followed rather than torn down and undermined as has happened for the past number of years. Bribes for favors would cease. Lobbyists would be outlawed. I could go on and on...but where to stop? It would be a government which could be trusted, and a picture of almost Heaven on earth where justice, kindness and compassion prevail. What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? I don't work outside the home any longer. In church there would be lines of people wanting to serve, rather than "campaigns to join a team" to stimulate people to serve. The service would be in humility rather than to be seen as is sometimes the motivation. Needs would be met without arm twisting. In our home, we do serve one another but we had to learn that as we grew in the Lord. That didn't come automatically just because we married. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofel Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? Answer: Since God has entrusted to them His flocks, the Christian believer, God expects shepherds or leaders to take care & do everything to make the flocks grow & live according to Gods purpose, but instead they are exploiting them and taking advantage of His people. What is Jesus’ standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). Answer: Just like the song say; "If you wanna be great in His Kingdom you must be a servant of all" and another "Make me a servant humble & meek, Lord help me lift-up those who are weak". What would it look like in government, if we followed Jesus’ standard? Answer: Our nation will be blessed abundantly. What would it look like in your workplace? Answer: There will be overflowing Peace. In your church? Answer: Multitude will be save. In your home? Answer: There will be overflowing Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Jerry Posted October 4, 2017 Report Share Posted October 4, 2017 The leaders are supposed to lead us to God. When they decide to take advantage of us then they are leading us away from God. Jesus’ standard for leaders is to be a servant and a slave to all. If we followed Jesus’ standard this would be a great place to live but since we are here temporarily that isn’t going to happen until Jesus returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus' standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45)? What would it look like in government if we followed Jesus' standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? The shepherds or leaders were not only negligent, but evil as well. In high positions they showed no compassion towards their people. Seeking only to full their pockets, and feed off the gravy train. After all the plundering they still have the audacity to “Praise the Lord, I am rich” – what hypocrites! Instead of being protectors they become oppressors by exploiting the people. An example is the dispossession of the land. There is absolutely no moral or spiritual obedience; they are a god unto themselves. Jesus’ servanthood is His standard for leaders. He rejects the world’s standards of rank, power, and money. Without rank, power, or money He gives up His life as “a ransom for many.”! Ultimate good rules. In the world today, we see power and money as the standard of greatness. Those in power want to protect their position, and those without power strive for it. Those who have money want more and are never satisfied. It is not about need but all about greed. Under these standards we see ambition rule and jealousy reign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Dave Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus' standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government if we followed Jesus' standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? What good is a shepherd that poisons its own herd? Easy to understand why God would be mad when people He entrusted to take care of His children are selling them short. Imagine if they were your own kids. Jesus’ standard for leaders is to be servants. He said that to be a leader one must first serve the people he is leading. If Jesus was in charge of our government the people would be taken care of, of course there would be plenty to go around when it came to contributing also and each would be expected to do his/her part. There would be justice at every level, along with mercy, compassion, etc.,. Things would be very different. In the workplace it would be the same and all would be busy, yet all would prosper as a result. In the church, I’m sure there would be a certain amount of shakeup as there would be in any but I feel somewhat confident that those in attendance for the most part have their hearts invested. In the home, the same as in the church. I know for a fact that I myself would be making lots of quick changes, but the encouragement would be great and many questions would be answered that I think only Jesus could answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Q. Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? A. Because they have failed in the task given to them to care for the sheep Q. What is Jesus' standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). A. Do lord it over the shepherded, rather be a servant who takes care of the sheep. Q. What would it look like in government if we followed Jesus' standard? A. There would be progress and development as the governed would work better and be productive Q. What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? A. In all these- the work place, church and home, there would stability, harmony mutual trust for one another especially trust and respect of the leadership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debra Grant Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus' standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government if we followed Jesus' standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? 1. His anger burns against the shepherd and he will punish them for mistreating the people. 2. Whoever wants to become great must be a servant,and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 3. It would be more organized. People would get along better by serving others. The leaders would care greatly for people and have more concern for people’s rights. 4. People would be treated fairly and there would be not favoritism. 5. Praising and worshiping God would be better because there would be more of God’s spirit in the church. People would have a chance to learn more about God and what Jesus did on earth as an example. 6. There would be more peace, love, and praising God. Family would get alone better. Children would be raised Godly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertha Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus' standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government if we followed Jesus' standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? Shepherds and leaders had been abusing their positions/roles for their own gain. God hates dishonest gain. Especially when His people are the ones being taken advantage of, mistreated, abused, killed. He hated it then and He hates it today. Jesus standard for leaders: to be humble and to serve. Jesus said whoever wants to be first will be last and whoever is last will be first. In other words, leaders are to look out for the best interests of the people before their own. Others should come first. Sacrificing oneself for others. Giving one's life for your friends. If we would abide by Jesus' standards, this world would be a better place. Everyone doing their part to contribute to our society. Work would be more productive, the churches would be full of grateful people, Households would live in peace. God would get the glory He so rightfully deserves from His creation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonY Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus’ standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government, if we followed Jesus’ standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? God is hard on poor leaders who oppress the poor because God loves the poor, he has a preference for the poor and throughout the Bible this is made clear. leaders are to Serve the People. too often people, leaders, work to benefit themselves rather than the people. it is the standard and would look great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil NRG Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 O God is so good. He loves each one of us, no matter where we come from, no matter our story and how we got here. Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus’ standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government, if we followed Jesus’ standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? Church leaders are given great responsibility, following in Jesus' footsteps to nurture and disciple His people. God is deeply saddened when their motives are wrong and they fail to commit to their responsibility. God is sad for one lost sheep. Every one of His people are most precious. It is a High calling indeed! I am not a leader, but believe that God will call me into that role one day, soon; pray for our leaders, encourage our leaders, bless our leaders. Jesus standard for leaders is His standard. So very high! Our world would be a different place if these standards applied and diligently and passionately followed in Government, at work, in church and home. A New Earth, renewed by living waters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioned Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 On 8/15/2017 at 5:33 PM, Pastor Ralph said: Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus’ standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government, if we followed Jesus’ standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? God is so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people because they are supposed to be representing him to the people. Jesus’ standard for leaders according to (Mark 10:42-45) is that they be servants even as He came and served. In government, if we followed Jesus’ standard the elected officials would always consider whats best for the people and serve them with fairness. In our workplace we'd always seek to know God's will and follow His directions[ the same is true for the church and home. In all things, let His will be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zilka Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Q3. (Zechariah 11:4-17) Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? What is Jesus’ standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). What would it look like in government, if we followed Jesus’ standard? What would it look like in your workplace? In your church? In your home? This shepherd is called "foolish" in verse 15. The word, often used in Proverbs, denotes a person who is sinful rather than mentally stupid. God is concerned about leaders protecting his people from oppression, rather than oppressing them (Zechariah 10-11). We are not to be leaders who domineer over people, but who serve them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damary Alembi Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Why is God so condemnatory towards shepherds or leaders who take advantage of their office and exploit the people? Because the shepherd does not care for the lost, or seek the young or heal the injured, or feed the healthy, but eats the meat of the choice sheep, tearing off their hoofs. Those leaders do not care for those that they lead. They are selfish. They do not care for the people but instead exploit them. What is Jesus' standard for leaders (Mark 10:42-45). Jesus’ standard is to be a servant. What would it look like in government if we followed Jesus' standard? What would it look like in your workplace? The workplace environment will be conducive for all. There will be no oppression, instead there will be freedom and harmony. In your church? The church and congregants will be loyal. There will be freedom and relations will just be right. In your home? No oppression in the homestead. There will be harmony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKeane Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 all are born with the "image of God" e.g natural law. Prof Pinker, not visibly an ardent Christian, catalogues concepts(words) across all linguistic cultures "The Language Instinct" words and concepts, do not steal, wife, etc (about 6 pg worth if I remember correctly its been awhile) and a sub theme is around leadership, authority etc where both hierarchy are recognized in all cultures (takes many different forms) and the common good. It is native to all. In both the Old and New there is a higher calling for both religious and civic leaders to serve God diligently and to protect, shepherd their flocks. Pretty drastic examples of those who don't!! but there are also lot of examples where selfish leaders appear to be getting away with it.(ahab and Jezabel with the land grab for instance. Jesu at last supper removes his dinner garb and takes on the role of a slave (low the slave totem pole at that) to wash the feet of the net generation leaders; as He instructs them "go and do likewise"--in another time, genuine leaders shuddered, wept at the thought of being designated leader---you see this initial reticence, Moses, Gideon et al in OT Peter in new; today people seem to thrust themselves forward, and if not "picked" continue to campaign for themselves tough to balance authority and its requirements and serving as those served are also fallen and tend to jdge a leader by how well they themselves are prospering-in a sense we get the leaders we deserve-in a workforce of diligent, dutiful "followers" there is more likely to be a like type leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 Because these people have a self - serving attitude and are not serving the Lord. Leaders are to serve. What would it look like, everyone would be happy serving others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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