Q2. Urim and Thummim

[MyRockOfAges]

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25) What's the similarity between God's brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David's use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction? What happens when David needs more than a "yes" or "no" answer?

God’s brief nudges and promptings are in words when compared with David’s use of Uris and Thummin, they are in words like yes, no and no answer. This is enough to direct us in His path. But when David needs a clear battle strategy, either through prophecy to Abiathar the high priest or a clear word to David, God provides the same. God knows what is needed in that hour to direct us either by word or by prophecy or clear word.

Edited February 17, 2019 by MyRockOfAges
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[JAT]

On 11/28/2017 at 6:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said:

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25) What’s the similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction? What happens when David needs more than a “yes” or “no” answer?

The similarity between God's brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David's use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction is that the both are forms or revealings form God.

In the case of nudges or promptings or in the case of 2 Samuel 5:19 -the Urim and Thummim God chooses to communicate in simple manner yes, no or left, right type response we saw earlier with Philip and Ethiopian eunuch.  In these cases we are to keep going with the guidance we seeem to have.  God is not telling us where we are going but just to follow and head for the objective, which is revealed progressively. 

When David needs more than a 'yes' or 'no' answer God provide what is needed with clear direction.  So we can be confident that when listening and discerning God's voice, once we know his voice we can be  suer that the nudges, promptings or need for more that a yes or no are what we need for that objective God has given us to achieve.

 

[Bryan Müller]

 

When David needs more than a yes or no as an answer, God gives him further directions.

[MosesSole]

On 11/28/2017 at 1:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said:

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25)

What’s the similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction? Both methods of seeking God's guidance provide vague answers in the form of a simple, "yes" or "no." 

What happens when David needs more than a “yes” or “no” answer?  It appears that when David needs more guidance, he keeps asking God for more specifics. Instead of just asking, "Should I attack the Phillistines?" He adds, "If I attack, will you hand them over to me?"

 

[Commissioned]

On 11/28/2017 at 1:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said:

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25) What’s the similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction? What happens when David needs more than a “yes” or “no” answer?

What’s the similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction?

The similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction is in the response.  God gave a decisive response when David prayed, a "yes" a "no" and sometimes God went beyond the single word answer and gave directions and insight as to the outcome of the event.  When he used the Urim and Thummim he got a prediction of a "yes" or a "no".

What happens when David needs more than a “yes” or “no” answer?

When David needs more than a "yes" or "no" answer he listened to hear from God.  The Urim and the Thummim couldn't help him there.

[Mona Burton]

On 11/28/2017 at 2:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said:

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25) What’s the similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction? What happens when David needs more than a “yes” or “no” answer?

The similarity between God's brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings and David's use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction is that they are both brief, inarticulate directions from God.

When David needs more than a "yes" or "no" answer, God either speaks to him directly or through someone else.

[Celia P]

What's the similarity between God's brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David's use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction?

They both give answers.

What happens when David needs more than a "yes" or "no" answer?

Father gives him more detailed instructions.

Love and Blessings to you all..xx 

[Cam Prefontaine]

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25) What's the similarity between God's brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David's use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction? What happens when David needs more than a "yes" or "no" answer? 

God, makes His choice for His purpose.  He will use what He will while training His chosen people to be attentive to Him verses being impulsive & striking out on their own & based on how He worked the last time, which was good for then.  God is not going to allow us to rely on patterns, ways that seem right to man, But rather use the events to draw us closer to Him to receive the Marching orders & how He will see to the Outcomes.  Attentive, Believing, Obedient by faith in His Authority & ways. 

2- God knows our hearts, and does provide us with more information as needed.  He is God & Lord.  Giving into His way will always have the Correct Outcome. Yes it may be difficult, but with them will be His Grace which is Enough.

 

[Krissi]

Though both the Urim and Thimmim and God's nudges are inarticulate forms of communication -- wordless -- it was possible to see God's answer through the use of the U/T. There was, then, visual communication from God. Perhaps the ancient Israelites still doubted. After all, it could have been a chance throw of the dice, no? 

Nudges are a still less certain confirmation of His will as there is always the possibility that one's own mind is creating this nudge, not God Himself.

I'm still very troubled about how God seems to obfuscate when He communicates rather than be direct and clear. The lesson suggests that God can be clear when He chooses clarity, to varying degrees -- why would He ever choose to be unclear??? 

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David received both a Yes-No answer from God as well as a detailed plan. I'm sure he was relieved to know exactly how to obey Him. 

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Lord, please reveal to me your battle plan for this stage of my life. Show me how to obey ... what to do ... something definite, not nudge-like.  Amen.

 

 

 

[Irmela]

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25)

What's the similarity between God's brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David's use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction?

What happens when David needs more than a "yes" or "no" answer?

Both gave and give answers to questions we place before the Lord. being Yes,  No   And no answer at all.   

David need a direction and God gave him a battle plan.  It was possibly by prophetic word.

[Zanele Tlhakanelo]

I believe that the similarities are that both promptings or inarticulate nudges can provide a yes or no answer but with God the directions are clear through the infilling of the Holy Spirit who makes the promptings to be clearer.

David would ask a question which then indicates that he would enquire for more direction so as to clearly hear what the Lord instructs him to do. 

[Dove81]

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25) What’s the similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction?
They are both straight to the point, either yes or no.

What happens when David needs more than a “yes” or “no” answer? 
God explained in detail exactly what He wanted David to do.

[Zibuyile]

Q.2 The similarity between  the two is that both have a ye or no answer or sometimes  nothing at all 

When David needed more than a yes or no answer God gave him full instruction  of how to attack so as to win the battle 

[Karen11]

On 11/28/2017 at 1:12 PM, Pastor Ralph said:

Q2. (2 Samuel 5:19, 22-25) What’s the similarity between God’s brief, inarticulate nudges or promptings, and David’s use of the Urim and Thummim to receive direction? What happens when David needs more than a “yes” or “no” answer?

I believe they are the same, it is a nudge for David because he would not have moved.

The Lord answers him.