Nana Karlsson Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 People could have the capabilities, attributes and gifting but are not titled as pastors or teachers because they are not officially ordained and so cannot hold official position in the church. The church should assign him another position in the area that he is gifted or let him work alongside a gifted pastor so that he will learn and develop his gift as a pastor. The gifts are given to us by God through the Holy Spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zibuyile Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Q4. How could a person have a spiritual gift of a pastor or teacher without having a official position in church. Every believer is equipped with spiritual gifts, but not all of them are ordained in their gifting. Some even minister God's word during as ervice but are not ordained pastors What must a church do if the senior pastor does not have gift of pastor? Who give the gifts? Holy Spirit gives the gifts to individual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissi Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 What must a church do if its “senior pastor” doesn’t have the spiritual gift of pastor? I recently left a church in which the minister became increasingly corrupted, weak and lazy. The vestry (board) of the church had been handpicked by the minister because they were loyal to him -- in return for their loyalty, they were given prominent, high-visibility positions in the church. Since the pastor was more than retirement age, I thought I'd wait him out, that is wait until he left. Though his sermons were insipid, the liturgy sustained me. But as years passed, and the rector aged in place, he slowly dragged the church down. When COVID hit, the church had no spiritual reserve to spend ... it imploded or collapsed. Because of this experience, now I think it's very important that the head of a church, it's pastor, is a godly and spiritually mature individual. If not, a congregant has two choices -- leave to find another church or somehow get rid of him. Deference to authority is earned, not bestowed with degrees or ordination. It has to be constantly judged and merited. I understand that congregants can be petty and divisive, but a ungifted head of a church will inevitably gut the church from the inside out. How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? Having said the above, it seems to me that the office of pastor has to have some sort of external acknowledgment or validation, that is, his calling must be "proven" by the vote or approval of the congregation he serves. In some denominations, ordination accomplishes this, or is supposed to. So, can there be a lone wolf pastor? Someone gifted as a pastor but without congregational acknowledgement? No. I don't think so. How can you be a pastor without a congregation ... a shepherd without sheep? Can you be a teacher without students, too? If God gifts you as a pastor, He will give you sheep. If your church is shrinking, perhaps you're not pastorally gifted. If you have no congregation, you're simply not a pastor. The congregation's presence confirms the gift. Perhaps you can be between gifts, transitioning, say, between being a pastor and an evangelist, and so have the residue of one before the next is fully actualized, but honestly, I can't see how it's possible to be a pastor without a position in a church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Q4. A person within the church who is involved in youth work, Sunday School, or home groups could be doing a great job being an advocate, or an advisor or a listening ear to another person or group of people. They would not have an official role as a Pastor or a teacher but by their individual personality and gifting they may be fulfilling or partially fulfilling a role within the church. Very little may be known by others but God knows every time we listen, or spend time with someone who is hurting or needs a friendly word. All Spiritual Gifts are given by God for the benefit of the Church Body. A senior Pastor if he has not the gift of Pastoring, will have gifts other than Pastoring and these gifts should be the areas that he concentrates on. Other pastors within the church will have the gift of Pastoring. Spiritual gifts are given to us by the Holy Spirit for the benefit of the body of believers. Therefore it is imperative that we use these gifts that we have been given. If we don’t use them we are disobeying God and we are depriving our brothers and sisters of the benefits of the gift that we have been given by God. That is being selfish on our part, as well as disobedient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Q4. A person within the church who is involved in youth work, Sunday School, or home groups could be doing a great job being an advocate, or an advisor or a listening ear to another person or group of people. They would not have an official role as a Pastor or a teacher but by their individual personality and gifting they may be fulfilling or partially fulfilling a role within the church. Very little may be known by others but God knows every time we listen, or spend time with someone who is hurting or needs a friendly word. All Spiritual Gifts are given by God for the benefit of the Church Body. A senior Pastor if he has not the gift of Pastoring, will have gifts other than Pastoring and these gifts should be the areas that he concentrates on. Other pastors within the church will have the gift of Pastoring. Spiritual gifts are given to us by the Holy Spirit for the benefit of the body of believers. Therefore it is imperative that we use these gifts that we have been given. If we don’t use them we are disobeying God and we are depriving our brothers and sisters of the benefits of the gift that we have been given by God. That is being selfish on our part, as well as disobedient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Q4. A person within the church who is involved in youth work, Sunday School, or home groups could be doing a great job being an advocate, or an advisor or a listening ear to another person or group of people. They would not have an official role as a Pastor or a teacher but by their individual personality and gifting they may be fulfilling or partially fulfilling a role within the church. Very little may be known by others but God knows every time we listen, or spend time with someone who is hurting or needs a friendly word. All Spiritual Gifts are given by God for the benefit of the Church Body. A senior Pastor if he has not the gift of Pastoring, will have gifts other than Pastoring and these gifts should be the areas that he concentrates on. Other pastors within the church will have the gift of Pastoring. Spiritual gifts are given to us by the Holy Spirit for the benefit of the body of believers. Therefore it is imperative that we use these gifts that we have been given. If we don’t use them we are disobeying God and we are depriving our brothers and sisters of the benefits of the gift that we have been given by God. That is being selfish on our part, as well as disobedient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Q4. A person within the church who is involved in youth work, Sunday School, or home groups could be doing a great job being an advocate, or an advisor or a listening ear to another person or group of people. They would not have an official role as a Pastor or a teacher but by their individual personality and gifting they may be fulfilling or partially fulfilling a role within the church. Very little may be known by others but God knows every time we listen, or spend time with someone who is hurting or needs a friendly word. All Spiritual Gifts are given by God for the benefit of the Church Body. A senior Pastor if he has not the gift of Pastoring, will have gifts other than Pastoring and these gifts should be the areas that he concentrates on. Other pastors within the church will have the gift of Pastoring. Spiritual gifts are given to us by the Holy Spirit for the benefit of the body of believers. Therefore it is imperative that we use these gifts that we have been given. If we don’t use them we are disobeying God and we are depriving our brothers and sisters of the benefits of the gift that we have been given by God. That is being selfish on our part, as well as disobedient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Q4. A person within the church who is involved in youth work, Sunday School, or home groups could be doing a great job being an advocate, or an advisor or a listening ear to another person or group of people. They would not have an official role as a Pastor or a teacher but by their individual personality and gifting they may be fulfilling or partially fulfilling a role within the church. Very little may be known by others but God knows every time we listen, or spend time with someone who is hurting or needs a friendly word. All Spiritual Gifts are given by God for the benefit of the Church Body. A senior Pastor if he has not the gift of Pastoring, will have gifts other than Pastoring and these gifts should be the areas that he concentrates on. Other pastors within the church will have the gift of Pastoring. Spiritual gifts are given to us by the Holy Spirit for the benefit of the body of believers. Therefore it is imperative that we use these gifts that we have been given. If we don’t use them we are disobeying God and we are depriving our brothers and sisters of the benefits of the gift that we have been given by God. That is being selfish on our part, as well as disobedient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Sorry folks about all submissions! I am not tech savvy and thought it hadn’t posted! Now don’t know how to delete! Thanks for your patience! 💕🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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