Pastor Ralph Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 Please share your thoughts on one or more of the questions in this lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdventIlliniRx Posted January 15, 2022 Report Share Posted January 15, 2022 1. What lesson was Jesus seeking to teach his disciples when he sent them out without purse, bag, or sandals? (Luke 22:35). To be 100% dependent on The LORD. 2. Why now does he tell them to take a purse and a bag? (Luke 22:36a). Necessary items for travel 3. Why does he tell them to sell their overcoat, if they need to, in order to obtain a sword? The Gospel is as important as clothing What is the main point of mentioning the sword? (Luke 22:36b) Persecution is a consequence of The Gospel. 4. Extra Credit: Is his command to obtain a sword meant literally or figuratively? Both What difference will your decision on the interpretation of 22:36b make in terms of your actions? determines your religion and philosophy 5. Why does Jesus' quotation about being "numbered with the transgressors" have to do with the context of this passage? (Luke 22:37)non-compliance is an element of Discipleship. 6. How was being "numbered" with the transgressors fulfilled in Jesus' life? by the cross. According to the passage quoted in Isaiah 53, what did he do for the transgressors by means of his death? forgiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irmela Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 1. What lesson was Jesus seeking to teach his disciples when he sent them out without purse, bag, or sandals? (Luke 22:35) To depend 100% on Father to meet their every need, by working through friends of the kingdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irmela Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 2. Why now does he tell them to take a purse and a bag? (Luke 22:36a) There is a different lesson to be learnt by them. They need to go prepared, so the mission is self-sufficient. He is already using people to help before the time to meet the needs required to accomplish the mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irmela Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 3. Why does he tell them to sell their overcoat, if they need to, in order to obtain a sword? What is the main point of mentioning the sword? (Luke 22:36b) I think He is telling them to be prepared for hard circumstances. Could it be to point out that the uncommon would sometimes need to be done, to accomplish the mission they were being sent on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irmela Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 4. Is his command to obtain a sword meant literally or figuratively? What difference will your decision on the interpretation of 22:36b make in terms of your actions? Could be taken as both. On the roads that were being travelled, it was not uncommon for bandits to travel the same parts. If it was realized/recognized that one was prepared to wield off the unwanted attack one was less likely to be attacked. Whereas if the bandits realized you were unprepared they would take their chances. If it was meant figuratively, it means to go prepared. Be vigilant. Be awake. Do not slumber spiritually. WATCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 1. What lesson was Jesus seeking to teach His disciples when He sent them out without purse, bag, or sandals? (Luke 22:35) In the past when they went out they were received with goodwill and hospitality, but without Jesus He was warning them they would face a hostile world and they must be prepared. The bare essentials were sufficient for them, and even then they had lacked nothing. But now that He was about to leave them, the world would hate them because of Him, and they therefore would be exposed to poverty, hunger, and danger. It was necessary for them to plan their missionary travels carefully, and they needed to take along their purse, bag, and sandals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 2. Why now does He tell them to take a purse and a bag? (Luke 22:36a) Jesus now tells them that it will be necessary for them to make provision for missionary travels, such as taking along a purse and a travelling bag. They will have to take the initiative, and be courageous to a degree not expected of them before. They will need to buy their own food and supply their own accommodation. Hospitable homes would no longer be open to them. They will face hostility and suffer hunger, thirst, and persecution. As seen in 1 Cor 4:11, they were hunted, pursued, and homeless: “To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 3. Why does He tell them to sell their overcoat, if they need to, in order to obtain a sword? What is the main point of mentioning the sword? (Luke 22:36b) I think Jesus is warning them about the difficult and dangerous conditions they will face in the future. He does this by telling them to obtain a sword by any means, even if it means selling their overcoat, which they have to have as protection against the cold nights. The main point Jesus is making in mentioning the need for a sword, is that the danger would be greater than the cold nights they would experience, and a sword would definitely be needed for protection. From now on they were going to have to fight against evil powers, against the powers of darkness, but they were not going to be using literal swords. Theirs would be a spiritual war, and as in Ephesians 6:10–17 they need “the full armour of God” to fight it. And the weapons to be used are not the weapons of this world (2 Cor 10:4). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 4. Extra Credit: Is His command to obtain a sword meant literally or figuratively? What difference will your decision on the interpretation of 22:36b make in terms of your actions? Jesus meant His disciples to obtain a sword figuratively as a sign to ready themselves for the hard times ahead. The sword is a metaphor for the difficult and dangerous conditions they will face when He leaves them. He is telling them that by going into the hostile world they will have to support themselves, to supply themselves, and to protect themselves. His kingdom does not advance by means of men’s swords (John 18:36–37) but by the power of God’s truth, the Word of God that is sharper than any human sword. “For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword” (Heb 4:12a). For me, it means we are not to go out and make war against the world, but this does not mean we are not to use a weapon to defend ourselves, our wife and children from murder and rape. I will protect myself, my wife, and my family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 5. Why does Jesus' quotation about being "numbered with the transgressors" have to do with the context of this passage? (Luke 22:37) Jess was telling the disciples that He will be treated/considered as a transgressor and be put to death as if He had been one. Jesus had previously told His disciples that He would be rejected and crucified (17:25; 18:31-33), meaning that every prophecy about Him will occur, perhaps hinting that it will happen soon. “For I tell you, what has been written must be fulfilled in Me” (22:37), indicating that our Saviour regarded not only His life but also His death as the fulfilment of God's plan. But He is innocent, holy, blameless, pure, undefiled, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens (Heb 7:26). “He poured out His life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors” (Isa 53:12b). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 6. How was being "numbered" with the transgressors fulfilled in Jesus' life? According to the passage quoted in Isaiah 53, what did He do for the transgressors by means of His death? This was fulfilled on the cross where Jesus was crucified between and numbered/identified with robbers (Mat 27:38), and with criminals (23:33). This great passage quoted in Isaiah 53 gives us a complete picture of what the death of our Lord Jesus Christ did for the transgressors of the whole world (1 John 2:2). This does not mean that the whole world is saved. Rather it means that the work of the Lord Jesus is sufficient in value to save all the world, but it is only efficient to save those who actually put their trust in Him. It is because His work is sufficient for all men that the gospel can be offered to all the world. Because He was numbered with the transgressors, and bore the sin (Isa 53:6) of many, that is, everyone, He is exalted and allows believers to share in the benefits of that exaltation. And because He is alive (Isa 53:10), He now intercedes for transgressors (Isa 53:5; 53:8). His death satisfied God’s righteous demands for judgment against sin, thus opening the way for everyone to come to God in faith for salvation from sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irmela Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 5. What does Jesus' quotation about being "numbered with the transgressors" have to do with the context of this passage? (Luke 22:37) Many of the prophecies from the O.T. about the Messiah, had been fulfilled. The one where it is said "He was numbered with the transgressors", was not fufilled as yet, but was soon to be fulfilled, when he was crucified. It was due to this and them being His followers that would cause them to be persecuted for His sake. He was warning them about it. 6. How was being "numbered" with the transgressors fulfilled in Jesus' life? According to the passage quoted in Isaiah 53, what did he do for the transgressors by means of his death? Transgressors were crucified. Not peace-loving people living a law-abiding life. Yet, Jesus was crucified. So He was seen to be a transgressor. As being one of them. He took the transgressors (our) place on the cross. Our sins were laid on Him. Before, the sacrifice was a spotless for lamb. This had to be done over and over again. But Jesus died once for all sin (every ones). He was the Lamb of God, who took away the sin of the world. Because of that we can have the assurance of eternal life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 Q1. When Jesus sent out the disciples they had just the basics with them. They did not want for anything because they were received openly and generously by the people. Times had changed and evil influences had set the people against Jesus and all who were associated with them. The disciples would now have to plan for their journeys and have sufficient resources themselves. Q2. Because the attitude of the people had changed towards Jesus and His followers the disciples would now need to bring enough provision for their journeys because they could no longer rely on the hospitality and generosity they had received in the past. Everything would be different they will face hardships of all kinds including persecution. Q3.A cloak or outer garment was a very important piece of kit for someone who was out in cold weather or at night. It was so valuable that if it was sold it would indicate dire circumstances. Jesus is telling His disciples to sell it if they have to in order to buy a sword. Not that He was advocating violence but indicating the need to be prepared for trouble and to be ready to deal with it no matter what it cost them. Nothing must stop their Kingdom work. Q4.Jesus was not advocating violence but it was necessary to be prepared to protect themselves if they needed to do so. The sword is a figure of speech for being prepared for the coming hardships and hostility. I would always think of Jesus as being full of love and peace and would never encourage any type of violence, but at the same time He would not want us to not defend ourselves if attacked without provocation. Q5.Jesus quote from Isaiah was about Him being crucified with others who had done wrong but He had not , yet He was looked upon as though He was an evil man. This was to be the fulfilment of the prophecy in Isaiah. It is relevant because this was the changing atmosphere that the disciples were starting their ministry in without the help and support of Jesus . Jesus was preparing them to be equipped for these hardships. Q6.Jesus who was without sin was accused and punished for the sin He never committed. It was prophesied in Isaiah and fulfilled by Jesus. We who follow Jesus , we’re among the transgressors who have been clothed in righteousness because of Jesus dying on the cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 1. What lesson was Jesus seeking to teach his disciples when he sent them out without purse, bag, or sandals? (Luke 22:35) Jesus was teaching them to depend on God instead of man for their needs. God would use people- friends of the kingdom to supply their needs. 2. Why now does he tell them to take a purse and a bag? (Luke 22:36a) He asked them to carry purse and bag because at this time, due to the increased hatred and persecution against him, they would be persecuted too and would have to fend for themselves. 3. Why does he tell them to sell their overcoat, if they need to, in order to obtain a sword? What is the main point of mentioning the sword? (Luke 22:36b) The sword would give them more courage in the increasingly unsafe environment they were and in their long treacherous journeys. 4. Extra Credit: Is his command to obtain a sword meant literally or figuratively? What difference will your decision on the interpretation of 22:36b make in terms of your actions? I think Jesus meant it literally when he told the disciples to buy a sword because he knew that this would boost their shaky faith as they moved in an increasingly hostile environment. 5. Why does Jesus' quotation about being "numbered with the transgressors" have to do with the context of this passage? (Luke 22:37) Jesus was not a criminal but was crucified with criminals. He told the disciples that message to prepare them to face such unfair treatment, as they would soon find themselves accused along with some criminals. 6. How was being "numbered" with the transgressors fulfilled in Jesus' life? According to the passage quoted in Isaiah 53, what did he do for the transgressors by means of his death? See the a-part of my answer to question 5 please. He took away the transgression of transgressors and nailed it on the cross. This gave everyone the opportunity to put his faith in him and be saved from the transgression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George L Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 What lesson was Jesus seeking to teach his disciples when he sent them out without purse, bag, or sandals? Confidence in God the Father supplying their need as they labor for Him.(Luke 22:35) Why now does he tell them to take a purse and a bag? (Luke 22:36a)Time is changing as the religious ‘powers’ begin to defend their traditions of man above the word of God. Why does he tell them to sell their overcoat, if they need to, in order to obtain a sword? A matter of careful evaluation of priorities with limited capacity. What is the main point of mentioning the sword? (Luke 22:36b) The sword is a worldly protection along the roadways of the times. Make sure you listen to the spirit on priorities as you travel. Extra Credit: Is his command to obtain a sword meant literally or figuratively? Literally. What difference will your decision on the interpretation of 22:36b make in terms of your actions? Do I realize as a christian among general population groups I may be called to be one to protect them from worldy assault along the pathway. Why does Jesus' quotation about being "numbered with the transgressors" have to do with the context of this passage? (Luke 22:37) The perception of ‘the way’ the sect of jews believing in Christ were at the tipping point. The beginning of the overturn of the world system. How was being "numbered" with the transgressors fulfilled in Jesus' life? He was sent to the cross among two thieves and so that the worldly could free a murderer to show off their worldly power. According to the passage quoted in Isaiah 53, what did he do for the transgressors by means of his death? The sacrifice of his body and his blood made a way for them to join Him in eternal life. He made intercession for the transgressors…. As should we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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