Q4. Lot and His Daughters

[warrior]

19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

Having been brought up in the standards of perversion in Sodom and seeing their Father not take a stand against it I'm sure they thought it normal. Lot knew the right way from living with Abraham but forsook it for the pleasures and riches of Sodom. He traded righteouness for low moral values for himself and his family.

Lot was urged by his daughters to drink the wine so they could commit the incest, I'm sure he was more than willing out fear and having lost everything that he had compromised to get.

Lot had little faith or he would not have been in Sodom. He seemed to have enough faith not to become like them but not enough to beleive God would provide if he took a stand against them or left to live somewhere else. He does not appear to have had no hope past the material things he had gained. He had no influence over his family for not matter what he might have said his act of turning his head at their sins proof stronger evidence of that lifestyle being alright for his descendants.

We need to learn no matter how close to God we are there are consequences for every decision we make and sometimes they effect our family, people watching our lives that might have wanted to get saved but are influenced by our choices. God may forgive our sins but he does not always protect us from the natural judgements that are a result of that sin. If we sin a law of the land and get saved he will see us through but we will still have to pay a penalty from the courts, if we abuse our body with drugs, drink or perversion he will forgive and sometimes does heal but sometimes leave us with scars to remind us where he brought us from.

[sjb]

During this whole chapter, something has been niggling at the back of my mind. Remember, Abraham was the person who had interceded with the Lord on Lot's behalf--not Lot himself. Lot had not been negatively portrayed up until this point, although we did see a "grabby" part of his nature when he chose what he assumed to be the best of the land in Chapter 13. Now, we see him, his wife and his family in a different light. For one thing, Lot evidently dealt with the scum of Sodom and was "one of them," or he would not have been at the city gates as a leading citizen when the angels arrived. The only thing going for Lot in the whole deal was his hospitality, something that had probably been ingrained in him by his Uncle Abraham. The angels had literally dragged Lot and his family from their home in order to save them. We've seen now that Lot's wife was having second thoughts about leaving "the good life." And now this! Lot was afraid to go to Zoar. Did he ask God for guidance? No. Nowhere in this story do we see a shred of faith and trust in God in Lot or Lot's family. Lot and his family were saved as far as they got just by Abraham's intercession. What does this prove? Well, to me, I thought back to my teenage years here in the very rural part of the Bible Belt where I still live. In the summer time, we would have church revivals. Preachers from the various churches would almost vie for the "unsaved." Family members would begin to pressure their kids to join the church. By the end of a revival, everything would have reached a fever pitch, and bunches of kids would come up to "be saved" at the same time. Then the revival would be over, the kids would start back to school and begin again doing what most kids do--following a crowd. Had their hearts really been changed? I am not one to judge. But I do feel that is where a lot of our Sunday Morning Christians came from. The point? Families and friends can intercede only so far. God will always be there waiting with outstretched arms. But until a person is convicted for himself, giving up his old way of life in repentence, and accepting Christ as his Lord and Saviour, nothing will actually change. You've got to know that old Satan is in there struggling for that soul all the while! Lot is proof of that.

[Joe]

In this discussion about Lot and his daughters the term virginity is mentioned regarding his daughters. Lot must have lied when confronted with the men of Sodom, because his daughters were alresdy married! see Genesis 19 ch.14.

[JustJeff]

Sexual perversion is a doorway to hell. When we, as a society, accept one all others are sure to follow. In this manner hedonism becomes the object of social desire and the standard for human living. Idols are created by it and worshipped for it. Insofar as the flesh cannot attain satisfaction artificial means of fulfillment are sought after, in Lot's case, alcohol. Children are misguided, abused and are the forerunners of increased depravity, as they are taught. Faith is in the flesh, not the living God. All of which leads to the logical and only choice for a Christian, Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life and only by Him can we hope to salvage any part of this wicked world. Preaching, teaching and being faithful witnesses is what we must do. That is our faith.

[Patricia A]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?Lot has a pair of daughters who can see no other way to have children but by incestuous intercourse with their drunken father as there are no other men around. Their values are most immoral and they did not have faith that God would provide.

Once Lot was part of Abraham's household and shared Abraham's faith in Yahweh. Now he is alone except for his daughters. At night he consoles himself with wine until he falls asleep -- a sad end for a man with such potential and such dreams of prosperity. His turning from the Lord has led to despondency. He did not have faith that following God would give him a better life and now he has lost hope and any valuable influence. His choice of residence put him and his family in the midst of sin.

From Lot

[Patricia A]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?Lot has a pair of daughters who can see no other way to have children but by incestuous intercourse with their drunken father as there are no other men around. Their values are most immoral and they did not have faith that God would provide.

Once Lot was part of Abraham's household and shared Abraham's faith in Yahweh. Now he is alone except for his daughters. At night he consoles himself with wine until he falls asleep -- a sad end for a man with such potential and such dreams of prosperity. His turning from the Lord has led to despondency. He did not have faith that following God would give him a better life and now he has lost hope and any valuable influence. His choice of residence put him and his family in the midst of sin.

From Lot

[Jewell]

They turned to incest because they saw no other choice. They lived within the values of their past - in the environment which they had grown up in.

Lot lost his faith when he lost his "things". He is self absorbed, self pitying, wishing for the past instead of stepping up to make the future.

[Commissioned]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest?

Lot's daughters wanted to preserve the lineage of their father.

What does this tell us about their values?

Lot's daughters were looking out for themselves, they had no morals. They were now in a position of poverty, without dowery they would have no husbands and thus no children so they took matters in their own hands.

About their faith?

They had no faith. If they did thy would have leave it up to God to provide for them.

Why does Lot turn to intoxication?

Lot was destitute and failed to trust God, so he turned to wine.

What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

Lot gave up on trusting God. I suspect being in Sodom for so long he forgot how God is a provider and that He is faithful. Living in Sodom, Lot held no influnce over the people of Sodom including his sons-in-law. I can't imagine why he stayed there so long, the city ruined his life and destroyed all that he had. A lesson to be learned here is to flee all unrighteousness without hesitation.

[emmaus]

The daughters were without hope and desparate.They had not been taught about the one true God so they had no faith or values. Lot turns to wine to forget. There had probably been enough time go by that he had thought about where he had gone wrong. He had been given many opportunities and this is where his choices had led him. He could have worshiped God as Abraham did but chose not to. It's the same today. If I choose worldly things over my faith in God there will be consequences.

[Craig]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

Lot's daughters turned to incest because they saw no other way to continue the family line and there was probably some **** involved. They apparently had no faith in Yaweh. They probably were greatly influenced by Sodomite culture and values.

As for Lot, all he owned and possessed were gone -- destroyed. Apparently he did not have faith or a relationship with Yaweh. So he turned to alcohol to drown his sorrows and try to escape the reality of his situation. All of Lot's decisions were based on material well-being. He compromised with the world and got burned. He did not worship Yaweh or he would not be in the situation he found himself.

The lesson for us is to apply Godly, Biblical principles and practices in our lives. Keep God in the center of our sights. Don't look to the left or the right but on Jesus. Make decisions that are Godly, not based on material well-being or gain. Not compromising with the world because it will take care of you/me.

[servant for Christ]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

They turned to icest because they did not believe God. Their values were in the wrong place. They did not look to seek God's values. Lot turns to intoxication because he has lost everything but his daughters, he lived in fear, and he did not trust the Lord. To me, he had very little faith, he had no hope, and his influence was completely destroyed, and his choice of residence was because there was no other place. I think the lesson we should learn is to keep our eyes on the Lord at all times. Learn His voice, listen to it, and obey it. We do not need to try to do things our own way. We will mess up every time. God will not fail us. Trust the Lord with your whole heart, soul, and mind. Seek Him deligently.

[masika]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

The daughters of Lot want to become mothers. They want to have children. Don't forget, it was a disgrace back then to be without children. Those who were barren were viewed as being under the judgment of God. But having a child was considered a measure of status. Think of Rachel desperately trying to conceive and finally giving her maidservant to her husband Jacob. Think of Sarah's bitterness and laughter before the Lord. Think of Zechariah and Elizabeth and their desire for a child.

Having a child was not only a measure of status but it was also necessary to carry on the family name and family line. Children are necessary for those without children have no future place in the land.

Finally, children mean security in old age. Those without children have a very insecure future with no one to look after them. Aged parents depend upon their children for food, clothing, shelter, and care as they become feeble and disabled.

Lot's daughters are thinking of all this: status, family name, old age security. So they want kids.

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[Paul H]

Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? They were living alone with their father in a remote location with no apparent contact with the outside world and no prospect, as far as they were concerned, of even meeting a suitable member of the opposite sex let alone finding someone to marry. They wanted to ensure that they had children to continue the family line (and maybe to provide someone who would look after them in their own old age). Based on the morals with which they had grown up in Sodom, and based also on the complete lack of any apparent regard or respect for their morals evidenced by Lot back in Sodom, they decided that incest was the only way to achieve this. They clearly had no faith in God's ability to deliver them from the position which they were in and it appears, that at this point at least, their father offered them nothing in the way of guidance or inspiration on seeking Gods help.

Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? He has lost all hope and faith and has essentially given up on life. Drink obviously dulls, at least temporarily the pain which he is feeling. If Lot had ever had any influence over his daughters, he is certainly past exerting it by this point, and is probably past caring

His choice of residence? Clearly, it was a bad choice for Lot, but that isn't everything. We can be in the World but not of it. Lot could have lived in Sodom but still lived a righteous life bringing up his daughters in righteousness and in the paths of the Lord. Difficult if you are living somewhere like Sodom, but not impossible. It is clear from this whole story that he did not do this. He chose to live in Sodom and at worst became a part of its life and culture or at best chose to condone it. His daughters learned from this example

What lessons should we learn from this story? I guess that the main lesson to be drawn from this sad story is that we reap what we sow. From the outset of the story of Lot's life, it is clear that he was selfish, looking only after number 1. He had clearly got himself into a position of some power and wealth in Sodom and it is difficult to see how he could have done that without becoming a part to some extent of what was going on there. He was in that World and had become a part of it. That can never be. We can never serve two masters and if we try, like Lot, we will reap what we have sown.

[Peggy Crans]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

They wanted children and they took matters in their own hands. They wanted to carry on the family name and not to be considered as barren. In those days to be barren was not good.

The way they took shows us they had no values. They were raised in this kind of enviroment and probably thought it was the only way to get what they wanted. Their faith was null and void. There was none. Although God saved them they didn't give Him any thanks .

Lot had lost everything and as so many people do turned to the only comfort he thought there was. He not only didn't thank God for what He had done for him, he thought only of what he had in the past and what he had now. His mind was on himself and things and not on how God had taken care of him. His faith was pretty much gone too. He had no hope. Instead of praising God for what He had done, he was having a pity party of sorts. Parents influence their children by their actions a his actions were not at all good. He chose to live isolated from everyone, and chose to cling to his wine instead of cllinging to and praising God.

The lesson we should learn from this story is to always remember to stay away from the things of this world they can only bring grief and heartache. Remembering God is our provider and our anchor. He will never let us down or forsake us.

[Lionbait]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

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It a sad story of how values get so twisted. Lots daughters had already seen and heard the value to which their father had placed on they.

He showed a willingness to sacrifice his only daughters virtue and yield them to all sorts of horror. How must they have felt, it is evident that Gods values where not an every day topic within the household of Lot. Can we draw lines of comparison Abraham and Sarah who entered into a similar pack to preserve the family line.

When there is no faith or a lack of it is this not what happens, in life today we see evidence of faltering faith and its causes.

Staying with the Master is far better, daily walks and talks with Him outshine this world.

[Peggy Crans]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

Living as they did with so much sin around them I guess they thought that was the only way. They were isolated from anyone and wanted to carry on the family name.

They apparently didn't have many values in their lives. Both girls had the same idea. Their faith was null and void. If there ever was any faith it was gone so they took matters in their own hands.

Lot was isolated from everyone and after he lost everything he owned and instead of turning to God he turned to wine. Like so many people today do they think they can find peace by drinking. When they sober up they still face the same problems and sometimes even worse ones than they had before He put all his faith in the things he had and by not removing himself from the place he lived, it was a bad influence on his children. Lessons from this story to me is listen to what God wants you to do and don't hesitate just move.

[Seeking His Face]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

They were taking the situation into there own hands. Operating as humans we do whatever it takes to get what we want. It looked right in there own eyes. What values, They lived in Sodom all there lives ,I am sure the saw and heard many ungodly things. I'm not sure they had much faith, at least not in God anyway. Godly influence were not very strong in there lives. Lot was trying to drown his sorrows, forget his past failures etc. He did not have much faith, hope or influence. Lot made many bad decisions, 1st one was compromising himself by living and raising a family in Sodom. Not having and ongoing relationship with God, It seem like Abraham was his advocate, He helped him out of situations, gave him protection etc. The biggest mistake was not repenting for his errors and going before the Lord for wisdom and direction. We all make mistakes and fall short but you NEVER give up Never.!!!

[hanks]

Q4. (19:30-38)

Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest?

What does this tell us about their values?

About their faith?

Why does Lot turn to intoxication?

What does this incident tell us about his faith?

His hope? His influence? His choice of residence?

What lessons should we learn from this story?

The whole family had been living a life of low morals. It was only natural for them to think of sex, even incest. Living such an ungodly life, there is no time or need (at least, they thought so) to turn to God, so there was no need for faith in our Lord. Lot had made the wrong choices in life, and participated in the evil life of Sodom. Lot now tries to

[Foofee's Nana]

Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest?

They decided since their was no one for them to carry on their blood line that their father was the only choice.

What does this tell us about their values?

They seem to be lacking in values of any kind, I am sure tat incest with one's father was not condoned in this time either.

About their faith?

They had no faith, but relied on their means to produce heirs...no longer trusting God for their protection.

Why does Lot turn to intoxication?

It seems he did this as a way to forget, to make his thoughts and pain just go away, for the moment.

What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

He was lacking in faith...he trusted himself and came up short. By the choices he made inlife, his place to live, his marriage partner, his desire to stay in Sodom.....we are all like Lot in many ways....maybe we do not want to admit to it. Christ lifted us out of the muck and mire and every once in awhile we seem to trust in ourselves alone, and always end up in a mess. TRUST in the Lord with our whole heart....lesson of the lifetime.

[Pearl]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? They wanted someone to carry on the family name and they did not see how it could happen since no other male was in sight.

What does this tell us about their values? They had none. They obviously had not been taught any values.

About their faith? They did not have enough faith to wait on God.

Why does Lot turn to intoxication? This is the way that Lot coped with life.

What does this incident tell us about his faith? He did not trust God to make everything alright for him and his family.

His hope? no hope

His influence? He was not setting a good example for his daughters.

His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

He did not go to a place where he could look up and trust God. He settled for less. We should learn to keep our trust in God and He will direct our paths. We cannot lead ourselves.

[Alan8]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

This whole account of Lot and his family has to do with "Me." When "me" is on the throne nothing good came come out of it. When Lot and Abraham split up because their herds were to big and Lot had to make a decision where to go, Lot chose what was best for himself. He looked with the natural eye rather than the eye of faith. Countless of opportunities for hm to get out of that situation and pull up stakes and go elsewhere, especially when his family came on the scene. But, Lot probably chose a wife from the people of Sodom which would only be a matter of time before the little faith he had would begin to die. Of course the wife would not want to leave Sodom if that is where she is from. God gave ample warning. I believe when Abraham rescued Lot and his family during the war with the other kings should have been Lot's wake up call but I believe Sodom really at that point got into Lot and at the end of his life was still in Lot. He never got Sodom out of his life. He resorts to alcohol in order to forget what might have been.

Of course the children had no real example. Like today in most Christian homes. Even if the parents are Christians the education system undoes whatever the parents put into the children. Eight hours of training in a public school system is hard to overcome when perhaps a parent or both parents can maybe put only a couple hours a week.

Of course if the father and mother can only think of themselves what do expect from the children? Both daughters only think of themselves in this situation. I realize having children is something of prime importance in that culture but where was God in their decisions? Through this whole story of Lot and his family never hear them going to the Lord in prayer about any decision. They make decisions on their own based on sight rather than faith. Is it any wonder the situation turns out like it does? It is very sad to think of lives that might have been if they would have walked by faith and not by sight.

[Spen]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

Why do any of us think the way we do when we are young and the hormones

are raging? Though in their situation I imagine it wasn

[royk]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

​This is a scary story indeed and give us a good lesson to be careful about many different things; be careful where we live and who we have in our circle of friends. Be careful about what we think and where we think our thoughts are coming from.

The devil is out to get us, and he has 'beautiful things' to offer us, to steer us from the kingdom. We must be conscious that this same devil influenced the key characters of this bible passage. Of course they had a choice, all of them. Bad choice to go live in Sodom was perhaps the root cause. Though Lot is spared, it is not clear how much he loved the Lord in the end, since he went into hiding.

Let us all keep Jesus near in mind and heart, and ask him what to do. Then if the reply doesn't fit the bible, probably someone else is whispering in our ear.

Heaven help is is the appropriate phrase/prayer.

[royk]

Q4. (19:30-38) Why did Lot's daughters turn to incest? What does this tell us about their values? About their faith? Why does Lot turn to intoxication? What does this incident tell us about his faith? His hope? His influence? His choice of residence? What lessons should we learn from this story?

​This is a scary story indeed and give us a good lesson to be careful about many different things; be careful where we live and who we have in our circle of friends. Be careful about what we think and where we think our thoughts are coming from.

The devil is out to get us, and he has 'beautiful things' to offer us, to steer us from the kingdom. We must be conscious that this same devil influenced the key characters of this bible passage. Of course they had a choice, all of them. Bad choice to go live in Sodom was perhaps the root cause. Though Lot is spared, it is not clear how much he loved the Lord in the end, since he went into hiding.

Let us all keep Jesus near in mind and heart, and ask him what to do. Then if the reply doesn't fit the bible, probably someone else is whispering in our ear.

Heaven help is is the appropriate phrase/prayer.