Pastor Ralph Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Q7. (James 1:25) What is this “perfect law” that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the “royal law” (James 2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyandblessings Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Q3. What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? Love is the perfect law. I am coming to understand that the Bible is a love story...God's love to us and His guidance for living the very best life and beyond. This is his plan for us. Love is the perfect law...the law that the Prince of Peace gave to us. Love God with all your soul and all your strength and love one another as yourself. ALL ELSE hang on these laws. You are never in conflict with God's laws for living by choosing to act on these two laws. I'm amazed that He made these laws so simple, that even a child could follow them. He loves us so much, that he wants NONE of us left out of his kingdom. In fact, we really need to struggle to be left out. This is, the perfect law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 The perfect is to "Love the Lord with all your mind, heart, soul & strength" and to "love your neigbor as yourself" as all the commandments are hinged on this. If we love the Lord with all our being we will automatically desire to do His will. The Lord loves to love so we would also love as the Lord does. However, the Holy Spirit is key here because our fleshly nature is very selfish and it is only through the Holy Spirit that we can be capable of loving as the Lord loves. Liberty is being free from all the sin that entangles us and keeps us in bondage. When we love God and obey His word we are kept from being slaves to sin, thus being free to God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_Z_Squad Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 3a.) What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? 3a.) Loving God as perfectly as He loves us. I find it neat that when God and love are used together, it is agape love that is God. 3b.) How would you define it? 3b.) Vine's Expository Dictionary defines it: "In respect of agapao as used of God, it expresses the deep and constant "love" and interest of a perfect Being towards entirely unworthy objects, producing and fostering a reverential "love" in them towards the Giver, and a practical "love" towards the Giver, and a practical "love" towards those who are partakers of the same, and a desire to help others to seek the Giver. Page 382 3c.) How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? 3c.) John tells us; "God is love." Since we are His children through faith in Jesus Christ, should we not reflect the character of Our Father? Fits perfectly with the Jesus' teaching on this. No surprise. 3d.) In what sense does it bring liberty? 3d.) You do not have to try to keep a running tally of what to do and not to do. If we are in the agape relationship with God, our love for others will give us freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 I agree with you all... Love the Lord... Love your neighbor... Why do we find these two simple and perfect laws so diffiult to follow at times? I love how trying to follow them makes me a better person for the Lord everyday... Someday I hope to get it all right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helenmm Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think the perfect law of liberty, which we are to study to do it, is everything that Jesus has said, everything in scripture that pertains to living an effective Christian life, eg being a servant, a good samaritan, a preacher of the gospel, one who listens before he speaks, who studies scripture for its reproof, instruction and correction in righteousness, who sets his friend's need before his own, who has learned to turn the other cheek and to love his enemies etc. The Royal law is to LOVE God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and your neighbour as yourself. This fulfils the spirit of all the Old Testament law and contains the perfect law of liberty. If we are filled with and obedient to God's Holy Spirit of LOVE/TRUTH/HUMILITY/POWER, then certainly we will never again know fear of man and of the things which are death to the spirit of man. Satan's two unsubstantial weapons of fear and lies will have no power over us. We will live in total freedom from the power of the spirit of the air (Eph 2:2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherrylynn Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Q3. What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? I think the perfect law is God's Word. It is what He has told us in the Bible and we are not only to study it daily but we are to live it and thus produce fruit. The royal law is love. God has commanded us to love him and our neighbor and if we do this we will be obedient to the perfect law. It brings us liberty because we are no longer a slave to sin, but free in Christ Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Spaulding Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Q3. What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? The perfect law is the one Jesus lifted up as fulfilling all the law--"Love your neighbor as yourself!" All the commandments relating to our actions with others--giving honor to parents, do no evil, abstain from unclean words and deeds, don't steal, don't lie, don't covet--will be heeded by loving our neighbor as ourselves! If we "love God with all our heart, soul, strength, and mind", we will be drawn to fulfill this perfect law. I think the "royal law" refers to loving God--as above, and the "perfect law" refers to the law of "love your neighbor as yourself." The two are complementary. It brings liberty from worrying about the pickey stuff that the Pharaisees loved to debate about in the Law! If we pray for the ability to fulfill this "Love your neighbor as yourself", you will fulfill the Law as God meant it to be fulfilled--no worry about the "pickey" stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindaparadise Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? the law of GOD! the law that says believe in me and let GOD take the reins. he won't steer you wrong. as for the royal law if you think good of yourself then it will also work. but i remember a time when i thought myself not worthy of anything good.( before i truly believed in GOD) and i didn't care what happened to me . then that law wouldn't be to good. the devil can't be involved in the law what-so-ever. the royal law (human law) has a large enough crack for the devil to squeeze in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoyceAlaska Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Q3. What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? The perfect law--is the law of liberty--liberty is the freedom to do what is right/righteous--not to be confused with license which is lawlessness. Through Christ we are free to live in and obey God's law which condensed is: Love the Lord your God with all your mind/soul/spirit and the second which is like it: love your neighbor as yourself. Through Christ, we are able to obey this royal law--we are freed from the constraints of the sinful nature which focuses on self/pride/etc. and able to focus on Christ--and others! We spell Joy: Jesus Others You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBeloved Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 The "perfect law" that James mentions is Christ's law of love. It is the law written in the heart of the one who has received Jesus Christ as personal Savior. It is the same as the "royal law" It brings liberty in that we are free in christ. Free to live Luke 6:27-28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnabas Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Today I went to the funeral of a great lady of our church. I know it was a very sad time for the family, she was not much older than myself. It sure makes you stop and think, have I really made a difference in the world? Have I thought more of others than I have of myself? Have I thought of you Lord the way I should have? Have I loved you with all my heart, mind and soul? I know we all make New Years resolutions. To loose weight, to quite smoking, to do so many things, and some of us do stick to what we promised to do, some do not. What does Jesus tell us to do... He said to seek first His Kingdom and His way and all the things we need will be added to us. Seeking Him! I use to think it was being good, reading my Bible, praying, all of these are some of the things we must do, but the most important thing is to love Him with all our being. But how can we do that, I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebChats Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Q3. What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? To love others as we love ourselves .. giving respect and attention to others in an equal manner. Not loving according to how we are treated .. or loving according to another's reputation and social acceptance .. or loving according to how we are feeling at the time .. but loving constantly and equally, all the brethen. How would you define it? Unconditional love. How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? It is the same. In what sense does it bring liberty? It frees us from sin against our neighbors. We will be less likely to sin against our brother, if we are doing as the Word says .. Love one another as you love yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atthecross Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 The perfect law is "love your neighbor as yourself". I would define it as doing unto others as you would do unto yourself. The royal law found in James 2:8 is the same. It brings liberty in that what once was spoken to chosen people and passed down through man can now be obtained directly from God the source of love. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on thier hearts.' He plants in us a seed that grows and flourishes as we learn of Him and abide by his word. He gives us a yearning to want to know him....So that once we are apart of the family we just don't sit well until we come unto the throne of grace seeking understanding from the God. So we are liberated, we are free, we are no longer bound by Satan and the things of t his world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 What is the perfect law that James mention's I think i'm going to go have to go in a little different direction. Jame's write's according to the Jewish New Testament in chpt.1v25 But if a person looks closley into the perfect Torah (law,teaching) which gives freedom,and continues,becoming not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work it requires,then he will be blessed in what he does. Looking at perfect Law- The word perfect means, Brought to it's end Finished (Yeshua came to fulfill the Law) That which is perfect (Yeshua was perfect) Consumante human integrity and virtue ( again, Yeshua) The word Law is anything establish, A Law, A Comand, A law or rule producing a state of approval by GOD, Command by Observance approved by GOD. Again,GOD'S answer for us, YESHUA When James says to look into the perfect law which gives freedom and continues it reminds me of when John said, If they were with us they would continue with us but they left us and we know there not of us (paraphrasing) Im going to have to say the perfect law is YESHUA The way it relates to the Royal law is it is the second greatest command, To love your neighbor as your self. YESHUA said No man comes to GOD except thru me We must come to YESHUA for salvation,after that we can love our neighbor as ourselves because the third part of the question has been fulfilled, The reason it gives us Liberty is because we are set free from the shakel of sin and are Brand new creatures in YESHUA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 The perfect law is the law of liberty. It is perfect because it is flawless and divine. It brings us liberty and freedom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguilar-j Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 THE PERFECT LAW WRITTEN BY GOD IN OUR MINDS AND OUR HEARTS. WE HAVE THE REST OF OUR LIVES TO SEEK THIS PERFECT LAW WHAT AN INCREDIBLE JOURNEY I DEFINE IT AS AN SPIRITUAL LAW THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF ALL THE GOOD PRICIPLES OF LIFE THE PERFECT LAW AND THE ROYAL LAW RELATE EACH OTHER BY THE LOVE OF GOD THE SECOND GREATEST COMAND AND THE LESS USE IN OUR JOURNEY WHEN WE ARE TOTALLY INTO OURSELVES. "LOVE ONE ANOTHER" THIS LAW GIVES US THE FREEDOM TO DO GODS WILL. THAKS BE TO GOD MAY GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 To live in harmony and love each other. The perfect law is for all to follow, not just a certain few. Love your neighbor as yourself, so with that love within us there will be an overflow given to others. To know who God is and that He loves us and that we must show love to others is how He wants us to live. Know that we are not God. Let Him work through us to accomplish what needs to be done. Just be a willing vessel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunilbernard Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Q3. What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? The 'perfect law' given by Jesus is love your neighbour as yourself. Love your God. The underlying principle is "love" Love conquers everything. Love is the answer. When we truly and deeply look into the facets of this agape love, then everything becomes clear. We can never define that kind of love. We have to learn to love like Jesus loved us. By constantly putting ourselves in Jesus' shoes and comparing what Jesus would do in those circumstances, can we achieve some resemblance to what this perfect law is. The Royal Law is also part of the agape love. Love sets you free. The bondage one suffers due to various entanglements are set free once you know how to love. Agape love conquers everything and in the process brings liberty and freedom to the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Williams Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The perfect law is love your neighbor as thyself. We have to have the love of God in us inorder for us to love the way God requires us to love. This is not emotional love, we are to love regardless and inspite of. God loved us that he gave his only begotten son that we might have life and have it more abundantly. We are no longer bound by a set of written rules and regulations that we are unable to keep. We are free because we have the law in our mind and heart. What a blessing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grace Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 1. The perfect law that James mentions is the Law in our' hearts and mind instead of a written law. We no longer need to struggle with understanding the law because it is within us as seekers of God. 2 To define this law is to say it is the Agape love of God reaching out to people we come into contact in our every-day lives revealing to them the unconditional love of God. 3. The royal law and the law written upon our hearts should be exactly the same as we allow ourselves to be used by God. 4. It brings freedom as there is a natural outflowing of God's love from us to others- a love that states, " Thy sins and iniquities will I remember no more". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccs Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? "Love your neighbor as yourself" How would you define it? love How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? the royal law is a law that is written on our hearts. . . it is a law that becomes our person, who we are and how we act. . . not just a law in our minds. In what sense does it bring liberty? Perfect love casts out all fear. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Perfect Law is Gods Word Perfect Law is Life giving Relates to the Royal Law for God is Love Brings Liverty by freeing us of sin and giving us wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOnLine Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Q3. What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? God's Law is the perfect law - Love. How would you define it? I should love God and love my neighbor as myself without question and unconditionally. How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? They way I read it, the perfect law and the royal law are one and the same. In what sense does it bring liberty? When we practice the perfect law, and love our neighbor, we are set free. What a wonderful world this would be if everyone practiced the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Nabors Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 What is this "perfect law" that James mentions? How would you define it? How does it relate to the "royal law" (2:8)? In what sense does it bring liberty? The perfect law is God's revealed law from the Old Testament and New Testament. It is inerrant and sufficient because it is from God. It is summed up from the two commandments Jesus gave us. "Love the Lord your God with all of your heart and with all of your soul and with all of your mind. ... Love your neighbor as yourself." This is the "royal law" and this law is perfect since if you do these two things all the other laws are taken care of. It is liberating because when we are saved, the Holy Spirit works in us to plant this law. We no longer have to worry with the burden of keeping track of every individual law. Since the law is planted in us and nurtured by the Holy Spirit, it is part of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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