FaithHopeNGrace Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Jesus knew this battle would be won on Calvary. He knew what God had planned for Him and why he had to do it. To give us eternal life and saving grace. It was not a battle to be one by many but by the One Perfect Sinless man Jesus. The greatest army in all of the Heavens appear to bring judgement to those who are due. Jesus is sitting in His Rightful place of power and to bring justice to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeborahBurr Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Jesus had to drink the "bitter cup" to it's last dregs. If Christ had not died and risen again, our faith would be in vain. Jesus willingly went to the cross and while the angels watched he allowed men to kill Him. When, in a coming day, Christ comes with His heavenly host it will be with wrath--God's wrath to deal with sin. How blessed we are to have trusted Him, when alone without His angel armies, He bore our sin at Calvary. Those who have not will bear God's wrath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Jesus did not call upon the heavenly host to deliver Him because that would not have fulfilled the scripture concerning Him. His assignment from the Father was to go to the cross and die for the atonement of human sin, rise on the third day, and ascend into Heaven and sit at the right hand of God Almighty. At some point in space and time, Jesus is coming again with the armies of Heaven to judge and make war on those that hold the Living God in contempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanieg63 Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Jesus did not call on the hosts of heaven while in the Garden because this battle was one that He had to fight on His own. He personally had to defeat Satan. This battle was one on one. In Revelation when the entire host of heaven comes to fight against Satan and his hordes, Jesus comes in victory because this is a battle He already one in His death and resurrection. Satan can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjuneangel1940 Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 so scripture would be fulfilled. love keep him on the cross not the nails. call to judgement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjuneangel1940 Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 if he had called 10,000 angels or even one we would all have ben lost. he had to die for our sins. he took red blood and washed black sin and made it white. when he calls down the heavenly hoste the will bring judgement. FOD help us to have every thing under the blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegi Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) A legion in the Roman sarmy was about six thousand men. When one considers the power of one angel, as seen in the Old Testament, the power of more than 72,000 angels is beyond comprehension. Jesus had all of heaven's power at His disposal, yet He refused to use it. His Father's will was for Him to go to the Cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negondeni Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 He Could Have Called 10,000 Angels, but he wanted the WILL of the Father to done. If He had called those 10,000 angels then there would have been no salvation because they would have defended Him. If he does call them they listen to Him and carry out His instructions because He is their Commander-in-Chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterg Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Jesus had to face this alone because He was the Lamb of God. According to Hebrews, he was the perfect, unblemished lamb that would be sacrificed for the paymen of sin on behalf of all humanity. None of the angels in heaven could have been qualified to make that kind of sacrifice. Plus, if Jesus called the heavenly hosts to battle at that moment, it would mean the end of the world as we know it. When he does, indeed, call on the heavenly hosts, it will usher in the new age of heaven and earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephibesheth Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) 1) Jesus did not call on the heavenly host, although as one who was fully divine he had the right and authority to do so, because He was also fully man and was sent by God to save man and not condemn man. Jesus saved us by setting for us an example. As man, Jesus could not repay man and be obedient to God because God said "It is mine to avenge, I will repay." Of special significance is the fact that Jesus told His disciples and tells us today to follow Him in order to be where He went. Paul explains the spiritual implications of Christ's example and command to follow Jesus with this command: ".... I urge (extremely strong and emotional greek word) you, brothers, to present (willful gift) yourselves as a living (today) sacrifice, holy and pleasing (fragrant offering) to God, which is your reasonable (mindful, thought-out, informed) act of worship." Since this is a reasoned act, let us reason together. Now, why would anyone willingly go to an altar, the place where the sacrifices were made in the old testament, to die - apart from the fact that Jesus commanded us to follow Him? Because, Jesus did not merely say "Your sins are forgiven," He also said "go and sin no more." Do you not know that mere man is not capable of being sinless? And yet people in the gospel who had an encounter with Christ were thereafter told by Christ to "go and sin no more." Is not Christ telling these people who not only commited sin but were born from Adam into sin such that sin was the fabric of their being, that they are now able to be not sinners? Is Christ not saying to these people "I have saved you from your sin, just like it was always promised that I would come and do?" And if these people used to be sinners through and through and now are declared by Jesus (who cannot lie) to be not sinners at all, is it not true that they are no longer mere men? Is it not true that they are a new creation altogether? Is it not true that they are like Jesus? Is it not true that they are fully man and fully divine? Is it not true that in the same way the Father was in Jesus and Jesus was in the Father they also have Christ (who is God) in them and are in Christ? What happened to the person they used to be? Answer: Dead! But they are still on earth! Answer: death and resurrection, just like Jesus! When? Answer: When Christ was slain. But I thought Jesus said this to these people before he was slain? Answer: Jesus was slain "from the foundations of the world" Do you mean it happened in eternity? Answer: Yes! Do you mean they went to heaven and back? Answer: They went to heaven for sure and they are back here in the flesh now, but since then they seem to be in both places at the same time because now that they have been in eternity where time is finished, they don't feel like they fully belong here anymore and in fact consider part of themselves still there and, in fact, they go there and back every day and sometimes several times a day.Why do they keep going back? Two reasons: 1) they love it there because He is there, and 2) they need to stay in touch because everyone here is crazy and they don't want to be crazy like them again. Did they go to heaven in the Spirit or in the Flesh? They don't know, God knows! What do you mean they don't know? Well, they remember eternity where time is finished with their fleshly brain which is part of this time, but witnesses have told them they never saw their flesh leave, plus they remember things from an age that has not yet come, which the fleshly brain says is impossible. It is impossible, isnt it? Answer: nothing is impossible for God. They remember parts of it? Yes. What parts? They remember having their sinful mind removed. What is that like? Alarming, but only for a split second. Why is it alarming? Because it is their identity and for the second it takes for God to cut it out, their sinful mind alarms like a reflex until it is gone. Immediately and maybe even at the same time they remember being in Christ's mind which is the mind of God and is where their new identity is. Are you serious? Absolutely! God took their mind which they offered and gave them Christ's mind, or didn't you know that Christ was crucified at Golgatha which means the place of the skull. What was God's mind like? A few things stood out to them as being much different from their own mind. First, God does not remember their sins. He doesn't even remember that he forgot them. He is completely and utterly unaware of them. Second, God does not ask Himself any questions. I mean He asks Himself absolutely know questions about anything! Men are always asking themselves questions, but God is never asking Himself any questions. Finally, God has no fear. And when I say He has no fear, I mean He doesn't have anything that even remotely resembles a vestige of an offshoot of a lesser form of fear. What must that be like? It is perfect peace. It is perfect rest. The closest thing men have that can relate to it is drunkenness. But it is so much better than being drunk because it so much more fulfills the purpose for which men get drunk! And, He gives His mind freely to these people. What else happened in heaven to them? They heard things in heaven that are not lawful for men to say. Do some of them tell what they heard anyway? No, laws in heaven are not like laws on earth. They literally have no choice in the matter; they have not the ability to say it. How does that work? Simple, they don't remember what they heard. So how do they know they heard it? Because they know what they were told from what they can't help doing when they are here. In short, they were told all the things that they would suffer for Christ on earth, down to every last detail. They figure this out from the changed life they see themselves living after the experience. What do you mean "they see themselves living?" Well, they are not really living so much as Christ is living in them. This is how they watch out for Him since He left - they see what He does in their lives with the will they gave Him. Do these people go and sin not? Eventually, after they have gone there enough times and figure out from the scriptures that they are not crazy. Why eventually? Because they don't seem to remember what happens in heaven very well and everybody else tells them it didn't happen and they start to doubt it until they go to the cross again and exchange their will for His. Plus, there are some things concerning sin that are confusing to them for awhile because they come to learn that some of the things they were told by other people to be sins, are not really sins and some of the things they were always told were not sins, are. These people are lead into sin for lack of knowledge like everyone else and for weakness of faith, but they don't burn inwardly to sin more because they soon learn and are reminded again that their identitiry is in Christ's mind where their is no sin, which is like being bit by a snake and not being harmed. These people are physically weak like everyone else made of flesh, but they don't feel weak because they are possessed of God, which is like running great distances and and not being weary. These are some of the reasons these people are always reading the Bible. They read the Bible by themselves and with eachother for two reasons. First, to find out for sure what is right and what is wrong so that they don't sin. They do this because they know the Bible was written by He who has Christ's mind and they know they have had their sinful nature cut out so that they can stop doing what is wrong and start doing what is right which is what they want because they love Jesus for accepting them when they were His enemies and want to please Him. Secondly, they do this to remind themselves what happened and who they (Christ) are for sure, which is like having the dung from walking in the world washed off your feet from people who had the same thing happen to them. People like Paul, who had an unusually strong memory and understanding of their heavenly experience compared to other men. His parents sent him to study under the best Bible scholar in the world at the time even though he was only twelve or thirteen and was an unusually strong man physically as well. Parent's didn't give up strong young men in those days easily because they were worth so much money to them in the fields. How do I know He was strong? Because Paul went into strangers homes and dragged them out of their homes and either killed them or put them in prison. How do I know his mind was so strong? Because, the greatest scholars in the world only accept pupils worthy of their teaching. Paul remembers things most people lose in their subconscious and need brought to the surface. Paul knew the the old testament bible inside and out and he was quickly able to be encouraged that what he remembered experiencing really happened and He could understand the meanings of these experiences as well because the Bible's words are as living and active everyday as Jesus is. Even after their belief is made full and encouraged by the word, these people still sometimes sin until their love becomes made full. Where does the love come from? From God, just like the rest of it. As they grow in knowledge, they puff up with pride in their fleshly mind and they pray to God in heaven to help them love others with a fullness greater than the knowledge they receive so that their knowledge is useful to those for whom it was cultivated. For whom was it cultivated? Their brothers and sisters, which is where their inheritance is. Their inheritance? Yes, God gives them an inheritance called "the promised land." This inheritance is literally in their brothers and sisters which is why they give everything they have to their family. That is when the promise if fully realized. That is why they gather like they do. And when God sends His heavenly host, they will be all that remains! And they will always remain! So, do these people regret deciding to die? No. They are the happiest people in this world! These people have the mind of Christ, so they know that God has forgiven them. Plus, since they have already died, they can't be offended because you cant offend a dead man. Plus, there God keeps them content, even when they have no more than food and clothes, because their only desires are to do the good things that God empowers them to do. Cany you imagine such a deal? That means these people desire what they already have in the near future! Every man should make such an informed decision! Every man should lose his life in order to gain the life described herein! Now, if these people are made holy by surrendering their will to God as Jesus did in Gethsemane, are their sins not forgiven as well? For which is easier for Jesus to say, "your sins are forgiven" or "go and sin no more." But, so that you may know that you are forgiven also, present yourself a living sacrifice at the place of the skull and exchange your will for His will. For, both men who are made holy and He who makes men holy are of the same family - and Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. 2) The heavenly host destroy the wicked and the 1st and 2nd heavens and the earth. Incidently, during the time of Christ, the Greeks used a numerical system called the "Attic." It was a system of letters with very limited potential for expressing large numbers. The system, until later revised with the Egyptians a few centuries later, could only quantify up to 9,999. Every number after that was classified under the number "M," which the original English scholars translated as 10,000, which stands for "myriades," from which we get the word "myriad," which means a large indefinite number too great to count. That's alot of Angels under Christ's command! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANTWELL Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) He did not call the Heavenly hosts at the garden of gethsemane be cause the lords army was not needed at that time. He had to under go all that torture ,torment & shame so that he could purchase us ( mankind) & redeem us by His Blood. Hence the meaning of salvation.(1 Peter 3:18; John 1:29) In the end He emerged The victor and made a public spectacle of them. when he calls on the Heavenly Hosts they will come to fight with him the battle for judgement that will mean the end of the unrighteos and evil and sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delivered Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? Jesus came to do the will of the Father and this was one battle Jesus had to win on His own; the battle to save mankind from death and hell, to fight the forces of darkness, and that that battle He won! Thank you Jesus. What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Jesus, the King of Kings will come to fight the last battle and with Him will come the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean to tread the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Rev 12:7-8 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Christ the General of God's army is coming with heavens host, they go to battle with the kings of this earth, with the beast and false prophet, and their armies. BUT, we know that GREATER is He who is in us than he that is in the world. God Almighty has everything under His control! We win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will09 Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Jesus didn't call on the heavenly host because it had already been planned before He was ever born into human flesh that He would die on the cross to save the sinners from their transgressions, and Christ was not about to scrap the plan to save all humankind just to save Himself. When He does call on the heavenly hosts, He uses them to judge the nations and the people, making war and piece, punishment and judgement as He sees fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
servant for Christ Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Jesus did not call on the heavenly host because he had to fight this battle alone, because it was for our sins to be forgiven and taken away so that we would not have to pay the price as our Lord and Savior did. When he does call on the host, it will be the day that Satan and his army is defeated by the great Commander and His followers. The righteous shall prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cw4Yah Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" (Matthew 26:53). He chose to follow the will of His Father, and fulfull the prophecy's given. Jesus is captured by a small contingent of troops in the Garden of Gethsemane. Peter draws his sword to defend his Master. Jesus tells him to put it away. "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" (Matthew 26:53). Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. But he had to be obedient, to the Father, and become the Lamb of Yahweh who takes away the sin of the world (1 Peter 3:18; John 1:29). "... a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.... He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of Yah. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen.... He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of Yahweh Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: 'King of kings, and Lord of lords'" (Revelation 19:11-16). He comes to put all things in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfloyd Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 This is the battle he must win alone that he may conquer the evil one and destroy Sin for all mankind. He must take all the Sin of the world on him and be the Savior for all so that we can come and be with God in victory over Sin through Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reva Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 In the garden, Jesus prayed for God's will to be done. It was not the will of the father for the heavenly hosts to come and rescue Jesus from what was to come. Reva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will09 Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Jesus didn't call on the heavenly host because He needed to die on the cross in order to save the sinners of the earth. It had been planned long before He was born as a human, and He was not about to scrap that plan now. Besides, He knew in His heart that it would be far more noble to sacrifice Himself in order to save everyone else. When He does call on the Heavenly Host, the army of angels will come at His call and wage His wars against evil: both human and demonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? This battle was for all the ages and for eternal life for all believers...and it had to be fought alone to the death and the shedding of His sinless precious blood. Calling the heavenly host would have thwarted the Divine plan to save me. What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) When He calls them they come quickly to do His bidding. I guess troops here could be angels but my understanding is that those on the white horses are the saints following Him back to earth for the millennium (It says in v.17 Then I saw a single angel stationed in the sun's light and with a mighty voice he shouted to all the birds to gather to feast on the flesh of those killed in the battle at Armageddon.) No matter though....whenever He summons the host of heaven they come and do His bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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seeking HIM Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Jesus knew this was GOD's plan and to call for help would have changed the whole outcome. It would of made Jesus unfaithful to the will of GOD. Imperfect and where would we be now???? Jesus in time is now rewarded for His faithfulness and given the name faithfull and true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra K Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Jesus did not call on the heavenly host during the time He was facing the thought and the reality of the Cross. Why? Because He knew that if He would be Savior, He would have to take on all sin completely by Himself...no grace allowed. But in our life, when we come to Jesus as Savior of our sins, the Lord we encounter is full of grace and mercy. How amazingly others-centered Jesus was to do this....it shows me how high and deep was His love! When Jesus does call on the heavenly hosts, the armies of heaven appear and go with Him to defeat His opposers. I wonder if the saints in heaven also ride with the heavenly hosts to the battle. Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurian Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Q3. (Matthew 26:53) Why did Jesus not call on the heavenly host in the Garden of Gethsemane? What happens when does he does call on the heavenly hosts? (Revelation 19:11-16) Here we see the perfect preference and choice of Lord Jesus Christ. HE chose the perfect choice " The Holy Will of LORD THE FATHER". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jestar7 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Jesus didn't call on the armies of heaven to help him in the Garden of Gethsemane because He had to go through this alone to fulfill scripture. When He does call on the heavenly hosts, they follow Him into battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windcatcher Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 He choose to obey the will of the Father. They follow Him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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