Pastor Ralph Posted September 4, 2006 Report Share Posted September 4, 2006 Q40. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioned Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? A person may have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without an official position in the local church because these are not positions given or elected to by man. What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? If a senior pastor does not have the "spiritual gift" of a pastor then those in charge of the administration in and leading the local congregation ought to prayerfully seek God's guidance in locating a person with the "spiritual gift" of pastoring. Who gives these gifts? The spiritual gift of pastor or teacher is given by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives these gifts as He desires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tabatha Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? First off the gift spoken of in ( Eph. 4:7-17 ) are given to the church by the Son of God they are the hands of Christ given to the body. they are pivotal in assuring that the gifts are applied to the body for to prepare and equip God's people so that we may reach unity in the faith and grow into fill maturity of Christ Ephesians 4;7-16 not only indicates the 'office gifts' Christ has placed in the church along with their purpose. tThe ministry of these leaders is to "equip " the body by assisting each person: (1) to perceive the place the Creator has made him to fill, by His creative workmanship in him, it opens to his realization of what he was made to be; (2 ) to receive the power of the Holy Spirit, and begin to respond to his gifts for edifying the church and evangelizing the world. The Five fold gifts are the govermental gifts of the body. The word "Pastor "comes from a root meaning " to protect " , from which we get the word " shepherd," It implies the function of a shepherd/ leader to nurture, teach, and care for the spiritual needs of the body. There are many in the body who have the heart of a shepherd who can nurture the hurting and wounded. I know it sounds strange not having a physical leader. But in a local assembly , with brothers an sisters who are wholly dedicated to the Lord and not concerned with personal agendas, it works. For where there are two or three gathered in my name, I am there in their midst( Matthew 18: 20 )It is Jesus who is doing the gathering. He brings together the local assembly, not some man or organization. Ait is He who leads the Spiritual Gift. The church must pray the Pastor will get on His face before the Lord and weep for the anointing of the Spirit in His leadership ministry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cct1106 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 All these are blessings and gifts from God and Jesus Christ. We are not to judge who has the spiritual gifts or not but if the congregation is troubled and divided then its time to go to the Elders because having a congregation divided is unclean and God's Holy Spirit has been taken away from the congregation until whatever serious matter is going on is cleaned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken7 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Having the gift of pastoring or preaching and teaching and not being used will need work on both sides. Growth for the candidate and acceptance over time - on the church bodies side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCHRIS Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Over time these people with these gifts will develop and start to show out like a light on a hill. You can see their hunger for deepening their relationship with God in soaking in His Word; prayer; their servant heart; their passion will reveal their God given desire to pastor and teach. Thats when the elders or "governing" [ i use this term loosely] body need to bring everybody together for prayer and to solve the issue in love. Our Lord is the one who gives these gifts and these gifts should give the glory back to Him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helenmm Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? Apiritual gifts are given by God, not men. Someone in a church might have such a gift and it is not recognised or understood by the leadership. If opportunities are not available then such gifts remain hidden If the senior pastor is unable, for whatever reason, to shepherd the church, then others must be appointed to the task, otherwisee the flock will simply go elsewhere. They want and need some attention from a pastor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJB123 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Part 1) A lay person may have the gift to preach or teach and do so but never have a titled position in the church. Perhaps they do teach or preach and visit or fill in as a pastor if the need rises. A person may not ever recognize these gifts. When they do recognize these callings, however, they can do these things and never be recognized. I feel that when a person does recognize their calling, they will no doubt want to try to do what God has called them to do. They will want to seek Bible School and really get prepared to Pastor a church or to teach. Part 2) In my opinion the Pastor should have the spiritual gifts., Without these, he will most likely not make it as a Pastor. The church will die without an annointed Pastor. The deacons/elders should pursue removing him as the Church Shepperd. The church needs a Pastor with the Spiritual Gifts. Part3) Spiritual gifts comes from God through the Holy Spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masika Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 It is possible to have the Gift of a Pastor and not lead the Church , because , all believers in Christ belong to one Body , all are united under one Head , Christ Himself. The Holy Spirit has given each Christian special gifts for building up the Church. We are to do our part with the Gift that God gave us. If it for Pastoring or teaching and you do not have a Church , just start a Bible Study in your area and go head with that gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiqstart Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? If they are not envolved in a church they could start a small group, if they our in a church they could lead a Sunday school class. Pray for the pastor and also for the church to see what God is wanting done in the church at that time, it could be he wants us to help the pastor grow or find another pastor with the gift. Holy Spirit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJeff Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 I would imagine that a person who is spiritually gifted as a pastor could quite easily minister to the flock without becoming the pastor of the church. Since the pastor is a shepherd and a servant it should be quite ordinary that one with such a gift could minister as the Lord chooses, whether it be from the pulpit or the pew, so to speak. The pastor of a church is chosen by God. In looking at the needs of a given congregation the Lord will put a person suited to that paricular church. The individual may not be gifted as a pastor but as a teacher, as come churches do instead of preaching. As stated in a previous question, all good gifts come from God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Rupert Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? A person could have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher and not have a official position in the church, the reason for this is because it is not required. What is required of the church is that we serve God. Because first and foremost we must all understand that Jesus is the head of the church. If you understand who you serve than you are not seeking a title or position you know that you are a servant in the House of the Lord. If the senior pastor does not have this spiritual gift we must pray for this individual and for our church so that this gift may be given to this pastor and to others in our congregation. Who gives these gifts, well The Holy Spirit gives these gifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Williams Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 We can see a combination of gifts administred by one person in a congregation without have an official position in the church. There are time we can lose sight by focusing so much on man's title. We should have our focus on those called and ordain by God. Let us not let our rules, titles and etc. get in the way of what would have us to do. According to our standard the senior pastor might not have the spiritual gift of pastor but who are we to judge. The point is what has God called him to do and that should be formost. We do not want to get caught up in title because we are all servants. Let us all go forth and be obedient to the word of God and do what is pleasing in his eyesight. Sometime this will not please man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 The Holy Spirit imparts all gifts through Christ. The Pastor must be confirmed by God's Word (not man's), the church and certain qualifications. Must be tested by Biblical Standards not on just desires, education, or alleged vision or calling. God sets forth the requirements by the Holy Spirit. We must always be in prayer for our Pastors daily!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? The gifts are given to those that make themselves available not just those that qualify through training or schooling and no office can dicate who has the gifts or not. Any pastor who is over the flock should have the spiritual gift of pastor and teacher if not I would say he needs to check up and see if he is God called or by his own desires or another's. God is always the giver of gifts and they are always His gifts to use how he wants them used not ours for our use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haar Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 A person can have spiritual gift of a pastor without having an official position in the Church because God gives gifts to those who have accepted the Lord Jesus Chrst as their saviour irrespect of whether they have a position in the Church or not. Such persons should however work closely with the Church authority to assist in the administration of the Church in such pasotoral services of leading, caring etc for the flock. A senior pastor who has no spiritual gift of a pastor needs the full support of those membbers who have the pastoral gift. He should however be humble enough to accept that he needs such help. God is the giveer of spiritual gifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? a person could have this gift by visiting the sick and shut in, or by teaching faimly and friends. Some one who choses to have a street ministry could also be considered a pastor or teacher. Someone who take the time to have a prison ministry can also be considered a pastor and teacher. They need to get him the help he need in filling those positions and lead him to continue the ministry that the Lord has blessed him with. They are given by the Spirit, from God the Father, All good things come from the Father of the Heavenly Lights according to James and I can't think of and better blessing than to be annointed to preach the Gospel of Christ and teach His flock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eudora Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? Spiritual Gifts are the special endowments of supernatural energy, yet not to be idolized for they come with tremendous responsibility. Yet Paul tells us that we should eagerly pursue love to cultivate love into our society around us. 1 Corinthians 14:1-3 He tells us we should desire spiritual gifts, but that he rather that ye may prophesy. The prophet is Spirit led and is the mouth of The Lord. It Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 A person can have that gift & not have the official position in a church. Oftentimes, these are the men/women who are teachers/leaders of a smaller flock--in a home care group setting or in Sunday School classes. If the senior pastor does not have these gifts, he still needs to be encouraged to let his real gifts come to light & to pray fervently for him. The Holy Spirit gives these gifts!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minchar Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? As it was stated, a person can operate in a pastorial role without having the official title. Take for instance a ministry leader. A ministry leader pastors those that are under him or her. They are responsible training and teaching the truth to those are under them. I believe that's why there should be ministry heads so that they may take on this role of pastoring those that are under them. We should pray that the senior Pastor will allow God to develop the pastorial gift in him or her. All good and perfect gifts comes from God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sis. dee Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? A preson may have a group Bible study in their home or at a community center. If a senior pastor does not have the spiritual gift of pastoring (how can he pastor? ). The church should pray that the Lord would send them one that can lead the church. All of our gifts come from God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahala p.s. Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? A person could have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position by caring for the spiritual needs of a group of people such as adult Sunday school teachers, small group leaders, house church leaders, etc. If Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candygoo58 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? Who gives these gifts? How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? We are all called to minister to others. Sometimes it can be a group from work or just those you hang out with. doesn't need to be a position that is only done in a church setting. We can be mentors to those outside the church and to new Christians to help them grow. What must a church do if its "senior pastor" doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor? There is usually someone else in the church that can do that. Anyone that knows the word and the truth of how to apply it can help those that need help in the church and fulfill that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewell Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 A gift of pastor or teacher does not require a title or official position. The gift alone provides for the person's ability to meet the calling. If a senior pastor doesn't have the spiritual gift of pastor, then his gift is in another field. It is up to the church to help find the right place and calling for the senior pastor position and for the one who holds the position without the God-given gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOnLine Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Q3. (Ephesians 4:11) How could a person have the spiritual gift of pastor or teacher without having an official position in a church? These are gifts given by God. Some may not recognize that they have the gift, so they aren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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