Emy Oliveros Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 According to the slave-ransom analogy, we are the slaves. We are enslaved by our empty way of life. Jesus, the Lamb of God offers the ransom. The ransom is not paid to Satan because he is not the legitimate owner of sinful people, he just keeps them in darkness and holds them in His deceitful power. The slave-ransom analogy isn't spelled out completely in the New Testament because the writers didn't carry the analogy that far. And besides we are slaves to sin, ransom can't be paid to anybody not even to Satan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Beth Whittam Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 We are the slave and we are enslaved to sin. God pays the ramsom but saten doesn't receive the ramsom because we have been Forgiven by God through Christ sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debs4jc Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? I am the slave, along with all of mankind, before I accept the ransom and am set free. We are enslaved by our "empty way of life", our sinful natures that make sin seem like the best way to live. God offers the ransom through the sacrifice of His son. The ransom isn't paid to Satan because Satan is not the one who enslaves us--sin is. Even if Satan was removed from the picture people would still fall into sin. The analogy is completely spelled out because it isn't meant to be a complete picture, only a way for us to understand the seriousness of God's act and our response to it. Sin is not a person that the ransom can be paid to, it is a way of living that enslaves us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Reid Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Q3. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? We are all slaves, all of humankind, before we accepted Jesus Christ as our Saviour. We are enslaved by, the power of sin: pleasures of this world, disobedience to God etc. Satan never owned us, only God. It would get very confusing trying to explaon that God owned us, and that the ransom should also be paid to Him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebChats Posted April 29, 2003 Report Share Posted April 29, 2003 According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? Me, people, and the church. Enslaved by sin. Jesus, God, and the Lamb. Because Satan does not own anyone nor does he have illegal possesion of anyone. Because it gets too complicated to explain God paid a ransom to God, but this is just what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liza Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 We are the slaves, enslaved to sin. Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjperra Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 We are the slaves, all people that have ever lived on this planet...except for Jesus the Christ. We are enslaved by sin. By the knowledge of good and evil, which placed pride in our hearts. Pride is the root sin of all sins. From pride comes greed, **** of power and **** of flesh. It also tells us that we do not need God that we can control our own destiny. It enables us to walk away from God. God loves us so much that He put up the ransom...it didn't matter the cost... He wants us all back. Satan is involved in the process as the supreme servant of sin. He is not sin. He doesn't hold us in slavery, but he works diligently to get us and keep us ensnared in sin. He himself fell from God's grace into sin and became corrrupted absolutely by it. He is, in fact, a slave (THE slave) to sin also. Would it not be glorious if satan could turn back to God??? Think of the ramifications of that in this world...satan working to get us to move towards God!!! The slave/ransom analogy wasn't completed in the Bible because it isn't a perfect analogy (very few are...) Sin is not a being that can except a payoff. Sin is a state of mind, a power that is not feeling or thinking... it just is. It would be like trying to pay the sun to stop shining on the earth. The sun doesn't care. It will keep shining no matter how much money we throw at it. We can spend money to protect ourselves from it. But as soon as we step outside of our protection, we get blasted again. The same happens with sin, we are freed by God who paid for this freedom, be we can still step outside of this protection and sin is still right there ready to enslave us again. God, thank you for our protection from sin and for paying the price to free us from it!!!!! I love You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieM Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 All mankind are enslaved by sin. We are actually born into this slavery because of the first act of disobedience by Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. However, we do have a kinsman redeemer that we may seek to pay the debt that we owe, our ransome. Satan is only our overseer. He can not and does not own us. The shedding of blood was required and Jesus, the Son of God, willingly paid that requirement and can now set us free if we seek Him and receive this gift . The payment for our sins was determined by God and spelled out in His law. And though we have sinned against God, God still loves us and provided the "ransome" through His Son, Jesus. The analogy seems to end end at this point, but I see a little more. If we break a law in our society today, we must also pay the fine or the penalty determined by the laws of our govt. The fine must be paid. When we pay the fine, the clerk who receives our money or the jailer who keeps us while we serve out our time, they are not the actually ones to whom we are paying the penalty. The penalty must be paid to satisfy the requirements of the law, not the jailor or the clerk who receives our payment. In a simular way, I think we must view our "ransome". If in a court of law, we cannot afford a defence attorney, the same govt. that prosecutes us will also provide us a defender. God is our Judge and yet He provided us a defender! I understand that this is not quite the same situation as in a slave/redeemer analogy, but perhaps it gives us a more current analogy of the situation that our enslavement to sin places us in and the ransome that God has provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelOnLine Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Q3. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? According to the slave-ransom analogy, I am the slave, along with all sinners. What is he enslaved by? We are all enslaved by sin. Who offers the ransom? Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, offers the ransom. If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Satan is definitely involved in our sin, but we belong to God not to Satan. If this ransom wasn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatherdills Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Slave = sin Enslaved by = Satan Ransom = Christ Jesus Satan does not receive the ransom because he is beneath God. It is too confusing to explain and drowns out the point they were trying to make - God is in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 The newborn child is already the slave. He is enslaved to the Father of lies, to whom Adam gave his dominion. The ransom is offered by Jesus. The ransom is not paid to satan because he has no rights to it, and Father God will in no way submit to him. The slave-ransom analogy is not completely spelled out because the analogy does not go as far as the receiving of the ransom by the kidnapper. It is prepared so that we may avail ourselves of it ( the ransom price - the Blood) to present to Father God at the time of judgement. It is more like a ticket to the wedding feast of the Lamb. All the tickets are paid for! We need just to take a ticket and wear the wedding garment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 A) ACCORDING TO THE SLAVE RANSOM ANALOGY, MANKIND IS THE SLAVES WHO NEEDED TO BE REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS. B)WE ARE ENSLAVED BY SIN BECAUSE OF THE FALL IN THE GARDEN .THUS WE WERE BORN IN SIN AND SHAPED IN INIQUITY. C)JESUS IS THE ONLY PURE, SINLESS ONE WHO COULD HAVE OFFERED A RANSOM FOR US AND THANK GOD HE DID!!!!. D)JESUS TOOK THE RANSOM TO THE FATHER. HEBREWS SAYS WITH HIS OWN BLOOD HE ENTERED INTO THE MOST HOLY PLACE .THE FATHER SENT HIS SON TO PAY THE RANSOM ON OUR BEHALF...THE SON CAME AND SHED HIS BLOOD AND TOOK HIS BLOOD BACK TO THE FATHER, SO TODAY WE ALSO CAN GO BEFORE THE FATHER BOLDLY BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS.I THINK THE RANSOM HAD TO BE PAID BY JESUS TO GOD THE FATHER.WE NEVER BELONGED TO SATAN; WE WERE BLINDED FROM SEEING JESUS AS GOD BY THE DEVIL; BUT HE NEVER OWNED US. E)I'M NOT SURE WHY THE ANALOGY ISNT SPELLED OUT COMPLETELY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. MAYBE IT WAS LEFT TO US TO COME TO A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.....GOD BLESS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicea Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? According to the slave-ransom analogy I am the slave. I am/was slaved by sin, empty way of life. Jesus offers the ransom. The ransom isn't paid to Satan because he is never the legitimate owner. It is spelled out completely because since God owns us, the picture of God paying God a ransom is confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolynne Speck Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Q3. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? Exposition We are enslaved by sin because of the fall in the garden. The Father sent his son so that we might be free, PRAISE YOU JESUS. We are redeemed by the blood of the lamb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Wright Posted September 6, 2005 Report Share Posted September 6, 2005 Q3. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? Sinners are the slaves. The ransom was paid to save us from the empty life we inherited from our ancestors. God ransomed us from the tyranny of sin by the blood of his own Son. When we give our lives to Christ, Satan loses his power over us - as the power of sin in our life is defeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsy Laycoax Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 All humans are the slave,we are enslaved by sin,we were born sinners. God offers the ransom,his only begotten Son,Jesus Christ's blood to pay for our sins.The ransom is not paid to satan because its purpose is to defeat him, not pay him off. It is not spelled out completely in the New Testament because it is not a perfect analogy of the slave-ransom analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 We were the slaves--slaves to sin. When we were ransomed the payment for our sin was made by Jesus--death. No ransom needs to be paid to Satan. We were not originally his--just enslaved to sin--as he is--but by choice. This is not spelled out in the New Testament because the N.T. writers were very much aware of the O.T. scriptures spelling this out. Wonderful way to see the N.T. & O.T. woven together to form a beautiful "fabric." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masika Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 People were in bondage to the law .Thinking they could be saved by it , they became inslaved to trying - and falling - to keep it . Christ came at the rigth time and died for our sins . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioned Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Q4. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? The slaves are unregenerated human beings. What is he enslaved by? He is enslaved by sin. Who offers the ransom? The ransom is offered by God the Son who is the Lamb of God. If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Satan is involved in the enslaving process, but the ransom is not paid to him. The ransom was payment for man's return to the position he once held before Satan entrapped him and enslaving him to sin, thereby robbing him of his place with God. Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? The slave-ransom analogy is not spelled out completely in the New Testament because it is one of those mysteries which involves God the Father and God the Son. Bible authors did not and indeed they can go no further since the writings are inspired by God the Holy Spirit and the choice was to end the analogy as it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Q4. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? Exposition According to the slave-ransom analogy human beings are the slave and are enslaved by sin. Jesus Christ offers the ransom for sin via His sacrifice on the cross for human sin. The ransom for sin is not paid to satan because He is not God. Satan is a tempter, facilatator and accuser, but he not the one to whom the debt of sin is to be paid. That is the Holy of One of Israel, Almighty God. The slave-ransom analogy is spelled out as far as we need to know it in the New Testament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misindi Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 At the beginning, between good and evil we chose evil, thus following the evil, Satan do not posseses us, we chose to follow him and by our forces we couldn't deliver ourselves from sin. We made ourselves slaves of sin. Jesus is the Only One who can rescue us from that condition. YHVH delivered Israel from Egypt because the Israelites have paid with slavery and forced work for many years, thus, according to YHVH King of the Universe, their debt was paid, the Egyptians have been paid off. They did not want to free the Israelites and YHVH rescued them, not paid a price, rescue them with His Might.. Satan never possessed us. We freely sinned and had no way to atone for that sin. We have been rescued and redeemed. We have been rescued from life emptyness, dispair and all other things associated with things not intended by our Lord for us to live by. We have been redeemed tthrough Jesus Blood to offer YHVH reparation for our sin and to bring us to YHVH's possession as it was intended from the Creation. He who accept Jesus as his Savior and Redeemer is property of YHVH and offers the perpetual sacrifice of Jesus Blood as if it was his own. We chose to be freed from sin and be part of YHVH's inheritance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewell Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 The sinner is the slave, enslaved by sin. God offers the ransom, not to Satan as he does not own us, but as atonement for our sins. The slave-ransom analogy isn't spelled out because it's confusing given the aspect of God both paying and receiving, although if we take away our usual outlook of payment being in money and look at it as the payment is in Christ's blood and the receiving is of our souls, it is easier to understand how this could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elie Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Q4. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? Exposition We are all sinners, slaves to sin, as long as we are not redeemed by The one who can made us become righteousness of God, His father. This Jesus, our sweet, lovely and almighty savior, did it by offering His life, His pure divine blood as ransom for us , for whoever believe. We are God's children, He's our father, He want us not to miss a thing, (Since the beginning, with Adam)Satan lied us , take us away from God, he keep lying us when we think that because we've sinned, it becomes impossible to reestablish our Father-child relationship with God. God send us Jesus The truth to show us how to be God's child again. When we refuse to be lied by Satan, We ask the Father His Holly Spirit, we let Him lead us, we become the Glory of God and we make Jesus' sacrifice not in vain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delivered Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Q4. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? Mankind is the slave. What is he enslaved by? Mankind became enslaved to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marloes Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Q4. According to the slave-ransom analogy, who is the slave? What is he enslaved by? Who offers the ransom? If Satan is involved in the enslaving process, why isn't the ransom paid to him? Why isn't the slave-ransom analogy spelled out completely in the New Testament? Exposition We are the slave. We are enslaved by the sin. Jesus offers the ransom. Satan is involved by inspiring us to sin. Since we are not his possession, he doesn't deserve the ransom. Jesus pays the ransom to Himself. The analogy isn't spelled out because most people at that time perfectly understood the image. It's like talking to an American about Santa Claus - there is no need to tell him what he looked like and who were with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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