MarkH Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cee Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus was called on to obey to an extent He had never experience before because He was sinless. Jesus knew that God was with Him all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty childers Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus obedience was the will of the Father, we sin, we pay our consequences by God's law we will be punished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedcoldsoberbytheblood Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus learned obedience by Gods hand. As scripture reads, no one takes this honor upon himself. Men do not choose to suffer this way. Who would designate themselves to be lashed at as Jesus did? We do not offer ourselves as sarifices to be hung, beaten, ridiculed. In fact, we do all in our power to not suffer this way. By Jesus taking on the burden of Gods will for him to save us, he learned obedience without a fight. Thats a sheer sense of humility and acceptance. Something we all have trouble with. Jesus learned obedience from the sense of accepting his chosen position. I never once read where Jesus tried to take off running from his perpertrators--or hide from them or did he ever call the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidjjj Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Suffering under the hands of sinful man would have provided temptation to sin through retaliation. The will of God is to endure rather than revile and retaliate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephibesheth Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? The "sense" in which Jesus learned obedience was the physical sense. Jesus was fully flesh. He therefore learned by physical suffering as a human the meaningfulness of obedience to God during intense physical suffering. It should be noted that this sword cuts both ways; Jesus also learned what intense physical suffering really means to those who are obedient to God. Thus, we learn what obedience really means when we suffer and we learn what suffering really means when we are obedient. It should be concluded we will know full suffering when we are fully obedient and we will know full obedience when we know full suffering. These matters are necessarily included in our salvation and the day for both is today. The reader should remember that scripture also reads that God made Jesus happier than all men and that God Himself is "The Most Blessed God." Therefore, we should not conclude that obedience and suffering negate happiness, but are rather an important part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? His obedience was perfected as He walked to completion the path of suffering, which involved both physical, emotional and spiritual suffering...separation from His Father's presence for the first time. How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? We learn from suffering consequences of our disobedience....while His completed experience of suffering made Him perfectly equipped to be the perfect High Priest...the Author and Source of eternal salvation to all those who give heed and obey Him. He suffered not the consequences of sin of His own, since He didn't sin, but His suffering was the consequence for my sin, so that I am forgiven and won't have to face the punishment I deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia A Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? Jesus followed the Father's will and suffered even though he was without sin. "Learn" (manthano) means here, "to come to a realization, with implication of taking place less through instruction than through experience or practice, learn appropriate to oneself."33 Luke records, "And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men" (Luke 2:52), describing Jesus' process of learning. How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus was obedient to the Father's will. We usually learn from the consequences of our wrongs. Jesus did not sin but obeyed the will of the Father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Jesus learned obedience by staying on the path that God had chosen for him by obedience through suffering in order to accomplish God's will for his life through death on the cross. Jesus' learning process was different in the sense that our consequences are a direct result of our sin. Jesus' consequences had nothing to do with sin on his part, but the sin was ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Riv Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus learned how easy it is to disobey God and how walking our own way is tempting,because He became human form, except He did not surrender to sin, as mankind does. Jesus did not give up on God, He persisted in obedience, where we sometimes fall short of doing that. Since He was perfected He became the Author of eternal salvation. The High Priest. In John 1 the verses tell us that Jesus was there in the beginning so I think He may have known what was in store up there, but He was still given birth here in human form so He would feel as we do, see as we do, have all the choses we do but He won over it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrstoler Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus learn obedience from what He suffered because it was God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrD Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 The things Jesus suffered provided Him with the experiece and practical knowledge of God's will as well as the desire to comply with the will of God. . . The things He suffered were not a result of noncompliance to the will of God - but were a result of His desire to please God - and His determination to comply with the will of God -whereas the things we suffer are as a result of our noncompliance. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 What Jesus suffered was a result of who He was and who He was connected to. He was both God as well as the Son of God. He didn't learn obedience through punishment or judgment. He learned it through his dealings with people (his disciples, unbelievers, the public, the Pharisees/Sadduccees, etc). Being fully God, Jesus knew what He was getting into during his earthly ministry. He was aware of the weaknesses and wavering loyalty of man. Being fully human, he prayed frequently because He needed the help of the Father to endure the burdens of his ministry. Probably the best example of how Jesus learned obedience is through his death. Even though he was sinless, he carried the weight of the sins of the entire world: "But it was the Lord's good plan to crush him and fill him with grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have a multitude of children, many heirs." Isaiah 53:10 He did it because he knew it was the will of the Father, and Jesus was always willing to please Him: "He was willing to die a shameful death on the cross because of the joy he knew would be his afterward..." Hebrews 12:2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 . (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Answer:Jesus learn obedience,from what he suffered---Although Jesus was a Son,and His status (Colossians 2:9- For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily) being the fullness of God is present in his body,yet he fullfiled what was written and spoken by the prophets,to die in the cross,and take take the very core of sin,that is our SINFUL NATURE,and nailed it to the cross(2 Corinthians 5:21- For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him)giving us A NEW NATURE of RIGHTEOUNESS,and HOLINESS. In our case we learn the hard knocks of Life,by falling and suffering the consequences of our actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iam4_1god Posted November 21, 2010 Report Share Posted November 21, 2010 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus had to suffer the way we do, in order to understand and appreciate what we go through. He loves us, and knows, first hand, what we are going through. But, the other side of that coin is, Jesus is perfect, and therefore, it must have been excruciating for Him to be separated from His Father, to bear our sins, and know that He asked for relief from His Father, but was rejected. I can't even begin to imagine! But-He was obedient, did what He had to do, and won the victory through obedience! That is how we can have victory-trust and obey! Sometimes it hurts. Sometimes it doesn't make sense to our carnal understanding. Jesus knew the outcome-we don't. We can't think like god can, and we can't know like God can. We just trust and obey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
servant for Christ Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Christ learned by experience the suffering, cost, and hardship that often result from faithful obedience to God in a corrupt world. His suffering and death on the cross were accomplished without sin. Christ made improvements by his sufferings. By his passive obedience, he learned active obedience. He practiced that great lesson and made it appear that he was well and perfectly learned in it. Though he never was disobedient, he never performed such an act of obedience as when he became obedient to death, oven on the cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blezed Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? 1) Jesus learned what obedience to God involved. He grew in wisdom and knowledge. He perfected himself to help us to obey. 2) He chose freely to lay down His life for us. He was obedient and sinless, something that we could never be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalume Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? 1-We learn obedience to our fathers by bearing the consequences of our actions, whether by his swift punishment or the natural consequences of poor decisions. 2-But Jesus' learning is different. Though Jesus has the status of Son, yet he too walks the path of obedience in suffering. "Learn" (manthanō) means here, "to come to a realization, with implication of taking place less through instruction than through experience or practice, learn appropriate to oneself."33 Luke records, "And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men" (Luke 2:52), describing Jesus' process of learning. Guthrie says: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacquie7 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Jesus learned obedience by suffering as a human. Because He was without sin, He didn’t have to suffer the consequences of sin. He had to come to the realization through instruction and making the Father’s will His own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacquie7 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Jesus learned obedience by suffering as a human. Because He was without sin, He didn’t have to suffer the consequences of sin. He had to come to the realization through instruction and making the Father’s will His own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahera Kine Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Q4. Hebrews 5:8 Jesus leanerd obedience through suffering not because he was a sinful man, but to follow the instruction set by the Father in compliction to his work of redemption of men. We suffer consequences when we disobey to our earthly fathers and even to our heavenly father beacause is in our nature to disobey. But in Jesus case, he did also to set up an example to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Jerry Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Jesus learned obedience from what he suffered because he took the sins of the world on his shoulders even though he did not sin. He did this in obedience to the Father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighthouse2014 Posted July 24, 2015 Report Share Posted July 24, 2015 Q4. (Hebrews 5:8) In what sense did Jesus "learn obedience from what he suffered"? How did Jesus' learning process differ from ours, since he didn't sin and suffer the consequences of his sin -- the way we usually learn? Jesus learned obedience from what he suffered because ha had prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane, that the Father would remove the cup of suffering he was to undertake, but God did not answer him. So, Jesus obeyed his Father's will and went through the suffering and death on the cross. Though he had not heard an answer from God, he still was obedient to the wishes of his Heavenly Father. Jesus's learning obedience is different from ours because we are weak humans, Jesus had the Holy Spirit to instruct him as to the Father's will. However, in the end the greatest obedience he could learn was to lay down his life for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Price Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 what Jesus learned was the actual physical pain of suffering and having learned that, knew that man would never be able to bare it without sinning, as he did. he prepared the way for man to be able to endure as he did by being obedient to the will of God and showing us that it can be done and what to expect as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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