Pastor Ralph Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissioned Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? The Pharisees expected a Messiah to be of the linage of David who would come conquering the enemies of the Jews. They saw Jesus as human, as a decendant of David, and as such to be inferior to David. Jesus' question to them was to get them to see Him for who He is, the Messiah Son of God and thus greater than man. How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world as His Messianic rule extended beyond this earthly kingdom, thus King of Kings. And as Warrior He conquered the enemy of our soul and delivered us from the bondage of sin. How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? Before peace reigns again on the earth, the Prince of Peace must bring judgement and destroy wickedness from the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabatha Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? This psalm is pure gospel; it is only, and wholly, concerning Christ, the Messiah promised to the fathers and expected by them. It is plain that the Jews of old, even the worst of them,so understood it, however the modern Jews have endeavoured to pervert it and to rob us of it; for when the Lord Jesus proposed a question to the Pharisees upon the first words of this psalm, where he takes it for granted that David, in spirit, calls Christ his Lord though he was his Son, they chose rather to say nothing, and to own themselves gravelled, than to make it a question whether David does indeed speak of the messish or no; for they freely yield so plain a truth, though they foresee it will turn to their own disgrace, ( Math 22:41 ) Of Him therefore, no doubt, the prophet here speaks of Him and of no other man. Christ, as our Redeemer, executes the office of a prophet, of a priest, and of a King, with reference both to his humiliation and His exaltation; and each of these we have here an account. I. His prophetical office ( Psalm 110 2 ). 2. His priestly office ( Psalm 110 4 ) 3. His Kingly office ( Psalm110 : 1, Psalm 110:3, Psalm 110 5, psalm 110 6 ). 4. His estates of humiliation and exaltation ( Psalm 110:7 ). In singing this Psalm we must act faith upon Christ, submit ourselves entirely entirely to Him, to His grace and government, and saved, for ever, and as the prophet, priest, and King, of the whole church, who shall reign till He has put down all opposing rule, principality, and power, and delivered up the kingdom to God the Father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinJC Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? 1) Though the Jews of Jesus' time saw Psalm 110 as Messianic, they saw the Messiah in purely human terms, as a physical descendent of David, and thus inferior to David. Jesus' question, based on his careful understanding of this psalm, revealed the "greater than David" nature of the Messiah. For when the Lord Jesus proposed a question to the Pharisees upon the first words of this psalm, where he takes it for granted that David, in spirit, calls Christ his Lord though he was his Son, they chose rather to say nothing. In Psalm we must have a strong faith towards Christ, and we also must submit ourselves entirely to Him. 2) Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-king and priest in his ministry to us and to this world as His Messianic rule extended to this world. This King and Priest of Psalm 110 not only rules for Yahweh, he acts as a mediator between man and God to atone for man's sins. Only when we understand Jesus as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53, who in himself bore our sins and carried our iniquities, can we understand how Jesus served as a"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men...." (1 Timothy 2:5-6; also Hebrews 8:6; 9:15; and Mark 10:45) priest to bring us to God. 3) Before Prince of Peace comes, we must take away the evil deeds and thoughts we have. We have to complete have faith in God and have him destroy all the evil things that we have in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 I think Jesus asked that question of the Pharisee's to get them thinking of perhaps a greater than David Messiah. They were still thinking in human terms only. He will be the warrior king & rule on the day of judgment to come. He is our great high priest right now, breaking down the barrier between God & man by His death on the cross. Peace can only come when everyone is of one mind--with Jesus as head. There will be judgments coming--great destruction of those who deny Jesus Christ & defy God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? THAT DAVID WAS A DECENDANT OF JESUS. HE BROKE THE BARRIOR BETWEEN JESUS AND MAN BY GIVING HIS LIFE ON THE CROSS. THE LORD IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE AND HE WILL DESTROY ANTHING THAT IS EVIL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJeff Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 The Pharisees then, as does the Jewish state today, view the Messiah as a man from the lineage of David who will free them from their oppressors The, the Romans, today, certain of the Arabs. Jesus was trying to show the Pharisees that the Messiah is spiritual, not fleshly. The Lord always made the point that God wants to saves us from our sin, not our human conquerers or enemies. Jesus is King of Kings. That means that He, as ruler of all is the administrator of and yet, as our High Priest He must minister to all. In order to bring peace it is necessary for Jesus to deal with those who are opposed to it. He is and will finish what He has started when He returns with His army of saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuniceC Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Jesus needed to make them understand that the Messiah was not a physical role only but first and foremost a spiritual King, whose lineage was higher than that of David. As the Son of God, He was higher than all men could ever be. To us, He is the priest who makes the atoning sacrifice for us before God, bringing us to the Father, when previously we were not able to come to Him. As a warrior king, He brings all things subject to Him, will the battle against satan for us. Jesus is the prince of peace, teaching us to love one another and let peace reign on earth, but with a holy anger, He must get rid of sin, and deliver us from the grips of satan, and to do this, He exercises violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidjjj Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? That Jesus was greater than David, He was David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood C O'Dell Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? Jesus wanted them to see clearly who he really was. Not just human but deity, the LORD, the Messiah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? They had been testing Him and here He turned the table by asking them just what they knew of the Messiah and as usual they failed their test and could no longer question Him. I believe His point being you don't discern the scriptures correctly so why then do you question my teachings. He makes it clear that He has power over all the earth and His enemy foremost. He says the Father will put His enemies under His feet meaning that He will become King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He must conquer His enemies because God can't live in relation to sinfulness and must therefore destroy it so that He can bring true peace in the world and then His people will be able to worship Him in spirit and truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia A Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" <H3 style="MARGIN: auto 0in">The Messiah Is Greater than David (110:1)</H3>It is Jesus himself who pointed to this psalm as one that refers to the Messiah: How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? He says the Father will put His enemies under His feet meaning that He will become King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He must conquer His enemies because God can't live in relation to sinfulness and must therefore destroy it so that He can bring true peace in the world and then His people will be able to worship Him in spirit and truth. How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. He loves us and wants peace for us. However, there is not peace for those who will not accept Jesus as Savior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia A Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" <H3 style="MARGIN: auto 0in">The Messiah Is Greater than David (110:1)</H3>It is Jesus himself who pointed to this psalm as one that refers to the Messiah: How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? He says the Father will put His enemies under His feet meaning that He will become King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He must conquer His enemies because God can't live in relation to sinfulness and must therefore destroy it so that He can bring true peace in the world and then His people will be able to worship Him in spirit and truth. How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. He loves us and wants peace for us. However, there is not peace for those who will not accept Jesus as Savior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loisb Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? 1. Jesus asked this question as a test. He wanted them to know that there was someone greater than David who was the true Messiah. 2. Jesus was greater, even though he was a spirit. 3. The Warrior-King would lead his mighty army to conquer the world and the Priest would reign in peace forever. 4. Jesus would pursue his enemies and save his people who will live in peace forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmaus Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Jesus asks this question because he knows that by their reasoning they have no answer for why David would call him Lord. The point was that the Pharisees couldn't comprehend God's plan. God hadn't revealed it to them. Jesus is King and will return to destroy the enemy. He is also the mediator between mankind and God. When Jesus died on the cross and the veil of the temple was ripped, that allowed us access to God. That is our peace and he is the Prince of Peace. He will also conquer and judge the enemy. That is God's will for him and he will fulfill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcgrace15 Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? Some of the old Testament passages such as 2 Samuel 7: 12-16, Ps 89.3 etc. said the Messiah would come from David Royal line. I think Jesus asked the Pharisees the Question to see if they fully understood the Psalm. The point Jesus was trying to make, was that David was speaking of someone greater than himself. Since no ordinary son of David could be greater than him. Jesus combine the roles of warrior-King and priest in his ministry to us, he will be the head of a might army,and will act as a mediator between man and God to atone for man's sins. Only when we understand Jesus as the Suffering Servant, who bore our sins and carried our iniquities, can we understand how Jesus served as a priest to bring us to God. Jesus as "Prince of Peace' The Savior King is in battle, and the Father is His sheild at His right hand, he will crush kings on the day of his wrath and will judge the nation, heaping up the dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csreeves Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? The Jews in Jesus time saw this Psalm as Messanic the Messiah's kingdom will extend far beyond the boundaries of Israel, resist by the enemies, but will extend by force with Jesus at the head. The point Jesus is making is it can't be anyone from the earth-an external priest. Because Melchizedek's was both king of Jersalem and priest of the most high God. The writer of Hebrews sees Melchizedek as a type of Christ combining the roles king and priests different than ever before and acts as a mediator between man and God. The Warrior-Messiah goes to war in the Battle of Armageddon and rests drinking at the brook to refresh himself and looks forward to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don W Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Sorry, I blew this post as I did it twice so I deleted the first one. If you want to read it, please read my post below this one. Thanks and God bless!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don W Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1 of Psalm 110 because He wanted to demonstrate that, in reality (and unlike what they believed), Jesus was much greater then David or even as One succeeding from the Davidic line of the kings of Israel for He is the Messiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms CJ Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" * They saw the Messiah in purely human terms, as a physical descendent of David, and thus inferior to David. Jesus' question, based on his careful understanding of this psalm, revealed the "greater than David" nature of the Messiah. What point was Jesus making? * That they were not looking at things in the spirit, but at the fleshly things. They did not want a true King born of God, but one born of the flesh. They wanted to keep their rule over man and to sit beside him as rulers and in the way that Jesus was teaching they were come to nothing but mere men. How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? * Jesus shall not only be a King, but a Priest. He is God's Minister to us, and our Advocate with the Father, and so is the Mediator between God and man. He is a Priest of the order of Melchizedek, which was before that of Aaron, and on many accounts superior to it, and a more lively representation of Christ's priesthood. How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? * Christ's sitting at the right hand of God, speaks as much terror to his enemies as happiness to his people. The effect of this victory shall be the utter ruin of his enemies. We have here the Redeemer saving his friends, and comforting them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsy Laycoax Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Because He knew they thought Him just a human like us and he wanted to make a point. The point He was making was David viewed Jesus as divine by calling Him Lord,even though Jesus is called the son of David. And Jesus was confronting them with the truth that He was greater than David and indeed the Messiah. Jesus combines the roles of Warrior-King and Priest to us and to the world by defeating His enemies and setting up his kingdom wherein he will rule with righteousness and peace. His priestly role is He is our meditator to God for our sins because he bore our sins in His own body on the cross at Calvary. The Prince of Peace cannot bring peace without first bringing to judgement and then destruction those who love sin and that requires violence to the wicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masika Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? This was showing that the Messiah was going to be greater than David. The Pharisees knew that the Messiah would be a descendant of David, but they did not understand that he would be God Himself. The Pharisees expected only a human ruler to restore Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linda bass Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Jesus was trying to point out to the Pharasees that He was greater than David. The Jews of Jesus' time saw psalm 110 as Messianic. They viewed the Messiah in human terms, as a descendant of David. Jesus' question to the pharasees revealed the "greater than David" nature of the Messiah. Jesus combines the role of Warrior-King and Priest in His ministry to us and the world by acting as a mediator between God and man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Q2. (Psalm 110) Why do you think that Jesus asked the Pharisees about verse 1, "If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" What point was Jesus making? How does Jesus combine the roles of Warrior-King and Priest in his ministry to us and to this world? How do you reconcile the violence suggested in verses 5-6 with Jesus as "Prince of Peace"? I think Jesus was creating a training moment in which to have the Pharisees rethink their thoughts and beliefs on who ultimately the Christ was. The point Jesus was making is that the Christ is not the son of David, but the Son of God Almighty -- Yahew. As Priest, Jesus sits at the right hand of God on the throne mediating for the saints. That is, Jesus as High Priest, is mediating between the saints and God for the forgiveness of sins and other Priestly duties. As a Warrior-King, Jesus will destroy satan, his armies, and all those rulers who have stood against God. He will judge the nations. Jesus is the Prince of Peace in that He brings peace to those who wake up and submit their wills to, and have aligned themselves with God Almighty. Jesus brings peace in all forms to those who love Him and practice His way. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life ..." Peace reins in the hearts of men and women who love the Lord and apply His principles. The bottomline is that there is spiritual warfare going on in and around this world. Justice requires judgment. Jesus has been appointed Judge. God has given humanity an opportunity to have their relationships restored with Him in fellowship and to have sins forgiven. There is an accountiability for free will and choice. Everyone is judged fairly based upon our decisions in this life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mags Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Jesus asked the Pharisees because He wanted them to know and understand the trurth. He wanted them to know and understand that He, as Saviour, is from God - that He is God. That He, the Messiah was/is superior to David not inferior. Jesus combines the role of Warrior-King and Priest by His very being and love. God is a mighty God who leads us by still waters. He wants us to know His peace and love. He is slow to anger but He will go into battle for us against Satan. Just as a parent loves and nurtures their child but will fight for the good of that child too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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