Pastor Ralph Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iam4-1god Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? For one, people who stick to legalism think that they are right and everyone else is wrong. This gives them a sense of power. It produces self-righteousness. The true gospel would encourage us to believe that is really doesn't matter what we eat, or what we wear, as long as we give God the glory and thanks, and conduct ourselves as representatives of Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood C O'Dell Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 It gives them a sense of satisfaction in that they feel they are doing what is required of them. It appeals to a sense of and produces self-righteousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intercessor1 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? It seems to place them on a special pedestal and are to be seen as holy. It may produce a sense of pride in being the holy ones. The true gospel points that we are all sinners and God loves us all despite our shortcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? It make them believe that they are in control. They want a way to earn their salvation,not accept it by faith. They try to take the place of God making rules that they can't live by. The fruit it produces is pride and not the fruit that God wants us to have by His Spirit. The emphasis place's importance on works not faith and the Grace of God and His love for all mankind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moses 4 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? Performance of legalistic requirements: I will produce in a person's life a change, It is why this is emphasised and different from the true gospel; the fruit it produce in a person's life; Is: trust asking, seeking, knocking - knowing that our Father in heaven longs to share with us the anointing of his Son; So Paul says again and again in our passage in a variety of ways "It is by faith that we receive the Holy Spirit." The Spirit is a gift from God that he imparts to us simply because we have a relationship with his Son. Legalistic requirements are by faith that we receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is never a reward for our actions. It is a requirement ( A Gift from God) we must have as a Christian! Pax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charisbarak Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Working for our salvation is so attractive to people because they like being successful at completing something themselves. "I did it MY way." It produces much pride & self-righteousness, but it can also be a continual frustration for them--how much is enough??? It is totally different. We don't do it, God does. We just have to accept what He has done for us & in Jesus we are saved. Not by works of righteousness that we have done. Instead of us being in control, we have let Jesus be in total control of our lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masika Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? It is makes it makes a person to appear moral outside, but religious rules cannot change a person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raider Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 It makes people feel they are doing what is required,and this produces self-righteousness. i feel the emphasis puts importance on works not faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choice Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? Legalistic requirements appear to be wisdom to some. It produces self-righteousness. You can only be made righteous through the Holy Spirit, not through anything you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJeff Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Legalistic requirements are man's traditions and equate to religion. To those who abide by these delusions they are easy to follow as they are fleshly and easily done. They may seem to be good works and result in that warm and fuzzy feeling one gets when they help someone or deny themselves for a time but, it is not what Jesus wants us to do and feel. It is not fruit that He owns. The true Gospel is Spirit and we are to be lead by the Holy Spirit in order to grow spiritually and produce the fruit of the Spirit. Then are we sons and daughters and then do we truly belong to the Lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greta Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Performing legalistic requirements is attractive to people because they are following a set of rules and if they manage to keep these rules they can feel self satisfied. They are relying on themselves and not on God. The fruit it produces in their lives would be 'pride' and 'self righteousness'. This is so different from the true gospel where people are made holy by the grace of God and not by their own endeavours. God bless Greta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanMary Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? I think it's because of pride. It's a way of denying the need for God and the desire to prove one can measure up, and "get it done" without any help from anyone. All cults are based on this doctrine of demons....because it leads people away from the knowledge of surrender to the only One Who can bring salvation and eternal life, as they focus and work to accomplish all of the legalities of each religion. What fruit does it produce in a person's life? It produces works of the flesh, which the Bible calls "wood, hay and stubble" which will go up in smoke when tested at the judgement. It produces self righteousness and spiritual pride in "getting the check marks in the box", and haughtiness as one looks down the nose at those not doing as well. In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? The true gospel emphasizes relationship not religion. That of surrendering the life/will to Jesus Christ and His Lordship, then living to please Him rather than ourselves...to yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit in what we do and how we live, which brings Him glory and honor, rather than drawing attention to our accomplishments. Nothing man can do on his own will ever make him holy....he may look moral and good to others, but fall short of the glory of God, since the shed blood of Christ is the only way to become holy on the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patricia A Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? Performance of legalistic requirements can be attractive to people for various reasons. Sometines, this has been passsed down from the previous generation. Maybe one feels he needs to earn salvation rather than knowing it is a free gift from God. The true gospel is all about salvation being a free gift from God and when we accept this and reall grasp how loving our God really is, we want to serve Him with all our heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? It is attractive to our fleshly nature and also the desire to look good for man's applause. It produces a self righteousness spirit which contrasts with the Holy Spirit that says all our righteounesses are as filthy rags. God Bless! Jen Numbers 6:24-26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin D Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Performance of legalistic requirements is attractive to people because it makes people feel good about themselves and provides a means to show their works. It also gives people a false sense of power that they must be good or worthy because of the rituals they practice. It produces pride, arrogance, and self-righteousness. This emphasis is so different from the true gospel because there is nothing we can do of ourselves that makes us worthy to God. No act we can do will make us godly. Only the Holy Spirit dwelling inside us can create new beings in us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brhodes Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? Out of ignorance, I was once in this group of people. Speaking from that perspective, I felt that since everyone is doing it(whatever it was)- it must be right. Performing legalistic requirements was easy to do because it was the norm and it was comfortable. Living as a Christian would require some changes that I didn't practice. When I realized that I was going to have to walk a new walk that inhibited my opportunities to do the legalistic things that I had grown accustomed to and so this is what attracted me. What fruit does it produce in a person's life? Fruit of self-righteousness and arrogance. In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? The bible teaches that we live under grace and not the law. -Keep God First Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clement Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 fallen man is naturally inclined to dead works. when adam & eve saw their own nakedness, they made clothings for themselves out of fig leaves. legalism is attractive because its self-dependence, logically earning our blessings. it breeds spiritual pride, and self-righteousness - like the incident of the pharisee and the tax-collector in the temple. the self-righteous pharisee looked down on the tax-collector, boasting in his dead works to justify himself. inevitably, legalism hardens the heart, blind the soul, and bring about bondages (from fear of God's judgment) when we fail to perform as required. the gospel of grace (un-deserved, un-merited, un-earned) is the good news that came to set us free. free to choose a life pleasing to God in response to His goodness and mercy in our lives. living a Godly life so that others can see Jesus in and through us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah43 Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? People are attracted to the performance of legalistic requirements because the performance requires minimal engagement. It is like following a how to instruction for tying one's shoes. I think it produces little fruit in one's life. The true gospel is transformative and requires total engagement to know God through the Spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Legalism is rather like the teaching in schools in England today - you have a set of rules (the curriculum) and if you learn all the rules you pass the test at the end. Teaching is now about how to pass the test not about how to think. It is, therefore, easier to follow a list of rules: Christians don't --- smoke, drink alcohol, swear, commit adultery, etc; Christians do --- give money to charity, go to church every Sunday, remain faithful to their partner, etc. The rules were developed, as far as I can understand, by men and women of faith to provide pointers not as absolutes to be obeyed without question. We are believers adn need to follow Christ's teaching not a set of man-made rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? Sometimes it is easier for people to conform to legal requirements because they are mostly visible and tangible. They require little if no spiritual knowledge or intersession and are an easy way to impress people. Those who practice or preach this type of doctrine feel important and become self righteous. Unlike the fruits produced by false teaching the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance an exact opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debbine Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 People have to have something to believe in. It is human nature that we believe in something. Even atheists believe that there is no God. We believe in urban myths, superstititions all of which have been passed down or picked up from generation to generation. All these produce either the fruit of fear or faith depending on what we believe in. This is different from the true gospel because we only need to believe in one thing which is God died for our sins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaps Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 . (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? People everywhere seem to get great satisfaction from making their own rules and living by them. MOstly of course they are very convenient rules. Sometimes they are ascetic and "religious" so that people get a sense of righteousness from them. However, individual systems can't be right because they differ from other individual systems - so by definition one must be wrong. People will say they have their own religion, which is, of course, totally consistent with the way of life they want to pursue. It's a rationale that supports their own style. It's a laziness, because real religion - the truth - takes much study to determine and to understand, plus personal commitment to perform. It doesn't conform to us (culture, social mores etc), but we have to conform to it. That's the hard bit. We have to turn tables and conform to truth. ALso, following Jesus requires spiritual skills not normally known or understood, and which some people, even though born again, never go ahead and acquire. Legalsim produces self-satisfaction and blindness to truth. The true Gospel creates people who are Innocent, very responsive to truth, eager to learn and be changed into the likeness of Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanks Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Q2. (1Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? These practices seem to be religious but it is not true Christianity; it is a form of worship according to their ideas of what is right, rather than according to God's word. They also often neglect their body in the belief that through self-denial or self-torture, man can achieve a higher state of holiness. This is found in Hinduism and other mystical religions of the East. There is no value in all these practices. They put on a fine appearance outwardly, but they do not succeed in checking the indulgence of the flesh. These false systems fail to make men better. While creating the impression that there is something the flesh can do to merit God's favour, they are unable to restrain the passions and lusts of the flesh. The Christian attitude is that we have died to the flesh with all its passions and lusts, and from now on we live to the glory of God. We do this, not out of fear of punishment, but rather out of love to our heavenly Father and Lord Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf1948 Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Q2. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Why is performance of legalistic requirements so attractive to people? What fruit does it produce in a person's life? In what ways is this emphasis so different from the true gospel? They think they are following the letter of the law but are not following the teachings of God. They feel above everyone else but are acually judging everyone according to their interpretation not God's word. Thus spreading harm not good to their fellow believers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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